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Slavemaster: Porn: Part 2

2020.11.26 15:51 Yosh1220 Slavemaster: Porn: Part 2

I am not a Christian but this verse describes what i am about to show you perfectly.
Thimoty 6: 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.
In my last post I have talked about the scientific harms of porn in relation to addiction and depression, but porn is so much more and does so much more. I like to call it the gates of hell, once you get hooked into it and dont get out you will end up in a very bad place. In my last post i talked about how it numbs your brain and you have to watch more and harder stuff to feel any pleasure. This is a path that i want to explore further with you in this post.
Now to everyone whos watched porn on here, think about how your taste in porn was at the beggining and how it changed over time, did it get extremer? weirder? more hardcore? Maybe not for you but checking out other subs you can see numerous people saying that the more they watched the more twisted their taste got. Someone commented on the last post Slavemaster porn 1 that i am mistaking cause and action, that the people struggling with it are sick to begin with and thats why they started watching it in the first place. Now that doesnt make any sense because as i told you backed up with scientific evidence that Porn fits into the addiction framework and by watching it all you will sooner or later need to progress in the intensity of the material to get any rush out of it. So the argument that porn is good because it prevents those people from actually living out those fantasies, no its the opposite, most people only start to get twisted by their excessive consumption of porn. Now here is an example of something somewhat extreme, this of course doesnt apply to it but its a case of what can happen, this link shows the search results of user 927 Aol, leaked search historys, Here you can see how it starts out already a bit unnormal but in line and how with time his taste gets weirded and more twisted and finally illegal and deviant.
https://www.businessinsider.com/aol-user-927s-entire-sordid-search-log?r=DE&IR=T
Now some of you would say you cant make such claims only by checking out nofap subs or one extreme example, show us proof. Of course you have every right to say that and i will happily show you proof. Teens who watch porn are reported to commit more sexual violent acts also knowns as TDV, Teen dating violence.
Violent pornography exposure was associated with all types of TDV, though patterns differed by gender. Boys exposed to violent pornography were 2-3 times more likely to report sexual TDV perpetration and victimization and physical TDV victimization, while girls exposed to violent pornography were over 1.5 times more likely to be perpetrate threatening TDV compared to their non-exposed counterparts.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31309432/
It also makes you more accepting towards rape myths and sexual deviancy in general, less sensitive and twists your brain into accepting sick things, like rape fantasies and violent sexual accts, as shown in the following studies.
A positive d indicates exposure to pornography had negative outcomes, while a negative d indicates positive consequences in relation to sexual deviancy, sexual perpetration, intimate relationships, and rape myth outcomes. As can be noted, no negative d's emerged in the current meta-analysis, thereby indicating the consistent negative effect of exposure to pornography in each of these four areas.
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.525.9208&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Here it shows how even rape gets subcouncisly accepted.
The present study was conducted to learn more about the association between fraternity membership and attitudes and behaviors associated with sexual aggression against women. A male experimenter took digital pictures of all of the images of women displayed in the rooms of 30 fraternity men and 30 non-fraternity men on a residential, small, liberal arts college campus. The men also filled out a rape myth acceptance scale. A total of 91 images were found in the form of posters, “pin-ups,” advertisements, or computer screen savers. It was found that fraternity men had significantly more images of women displayed in their rooms and that the images were rated significantly more degrading than those in the rooms of non-fraternity men. Fraternity men were found to have significantly higher scores on a rape supportive attitude scale (RSA). RSA scores were positively related to the amount of degradation in the images found in men's rooms. The possible purposes and consequences of the display of degrading sexual images are discussed.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-005-7136-6
Now we can go a step further and see that the most common thing amongst serial killers is porn. Now almost every one of those murderes says that porn had a massive effect into lowering their guilt and hesitation in commiting the horrible acts they did. They dont have a reason to lie about this and even if, these people dont really knew each other but everyone of them said the same thing about pornography.
There is also a video of Ted Bundy talking about how porn affected him. https://youtu.be/tfwJeHtrWNI
Okay so then there is one big counter argument: Sexual crimes actually decreased. But here is the catch, the less it got the thighter security and tracking technology got. Saying that porn prevents crimes from happening is ignorant considering the evidence i provided, the only reason why these crimes decreased is because its harder to commit them without getting catched.
The term teen has been on top lists in pornography searchings and if you think about the actual meaning of this its sickeing. People get aroused by the thought of a barely legal person being sexually displayed and who knows where it goes from on there.
But this begs the question again: Why all of this? Why would anyone want this to happen? If i had the answers I would tell you but i am trying to figure out the truth aswell.
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2020.11.26 15:46 greenandgreener 31 [F4M] Anywhere - Looking for a lifelong, old fashioned [relationship]

  1. I just watched a video clip on YouTube. A fox was trapped in the football nets. In the comment section a guy said he was in the same situation once. He saw a fox stuck in the nets while he was in the middle of the gym class. He ran to the fox. The teacher told him to come back, or there will be consequences. He didn’t listen, found a pair of scissors, and cut the nets loose. The kid got detention for a week. I wondered what for. Was it because he didn’t listen to what the teacher said? Or was because he skipped the gym class without the teacher’s consent? Regardless, I think the kid made the right decision not listening. And I know the fox would agree.
  2. I once got an internship at a company in a neighborhood I am not familiar with. I asked a friend of mine, who did an internship there the year before, about where I should avoid and things like that. Then she was like, "My boyfriend took care of everything for me. I think he um...." I asked my next door neighbor the same question because he got an internship in the same neighborhood I did. The first thing he said was, "If you can't figure things out on your own I don't think you should do an internship at all." For some reason the conversations I had with them still strikes me even until this day. People rarely care. People rarely understand. Even rarer to have someone who both cares about and understands you. Most people don't give a shit about the fact that you are in a bad spot. Some people might say, "Oh man I am sorry that you are in such a bad spot." A few people might pause whatever they are doing and offer you some help. Only one person, or maybe two or three, won't go until they get you out of the bad spot. I would like to be that person for my SO.
What I am looking for -
Short version (there is a long version, with explanation, follows) -
A single, monogamous, adult man who is looking for a lifelong relationship, has time to be in a committed relationship, will become my best friend, is in shape/ not too out of shape, is reasonably healthy, is mentally healthy and stable/ mentally unhealthy and unstable but has been monitoring the progress, mentally available, is a meat eater, is a non smoke rarely smoke, is a non drinke social drinker, is a non drug addict (weed is fine), is a non gambling addict, is a non porn addict, is a virgin/ non virgin but was always responsible to their exes (always wore condoms and never had STDs), is okay with no cohabitation, is okay with no premarital sex, is not into anything kinky, wants kids (biological kids/ adopted kids), is okay with your spouse not taking birth control pills, is okay with your spouse not wearing an IUD, is debt free/ with justifiable debt, is religious/ non religious, is eligible to apply for a passport (and meet each other)
If you do not agree with everything I said above then we are not compatible. “I agreed with most of the things you said.” What does that even mean? I have had enough messages telling me that they do not entirely agree with what I said but would like to see where things go. The answer is nowhere. I do not have time nor do I want to build a castle on sand. I also have had enough messages telling me to reconsider things. I won't.
What I like -
Sun
Snow
Trees
Woodworking
Agriculture
Plants
Good food
Hot food
Hot soup
Warm words
Laughing
Wool yarn
Wool clothing
Names with stories, say like, street names
Dining wares
Trains
Photography
Old stories - old movies and shows
Good stories - movies, shows and documentaries, books, music with good lyrics
Good arts
Thrift stores
Flea markets
What I am looking for - Long version -
A strictly monogamous relationship that is happy, healthy, supportive, and lasts forever. I am not looking for dick pictures, chat buddies, dirty chat buddies, hookups, love affairs, friends, friends with benefits, sugar daddies, sugar uncles, sugar sons, rebound dating, short-term dating, several years dating, polyamorous, open, or online-only relationships.
Communication - I would make time to talk to my SO every day, and very much prefer so, even just to hear that they are safe and sound. But I would be understanding if they are out in Antarctica and the satellite Internet at the work station does not always work properly, or something like that. I would like to deal with all the hardships in life together as a team. Having arguments in a relationship is somewhat unavoidable. I like straightening things out, right away, in a logical, non violent, and non abusive way. I apologize when I make mistakes. Giving silent treatment is really not my thing. I am not saying that I do not have a temper. I do. I do get angry, but within reason. Keeping promises and being punctual are important to me.
Mental health - The amount of toxicity I could take is arguably higher than average, but please alert me if you are struggling mentally. On a side note, I hope you do not like watching porn. It is a poor choice, and is both physically and psychologically damaging. I am not asking everyone of you to agree with me on this, or any other things I say in this post. Whatever floats your boat, strangers; just let me have the freedom to find whatever I am looking for.
Distance - I am not looking for an online marriage. You could join me here. Or I could go there. A solid plan with solid dates would be needed. Future faking is a fucked up thing to do to another person. If you need nude pictures, phone sex or Skype sex to make a long distance relationship works, I am not the person you are looking for.
Meeting for the first time - I have given this a lot of thoughts, still I do not really know when and where would be good to meet up. We could meet either before we go into a relationship or after. It would probably be fairer for us to fly to a foreign place to meet, it means we would have to trust each other enough to do that. In that case it would make more sense to meet after the relationship has already been established. I think it is doable to fall for someone just by talking. Though I am aware that people are often not who they claimed they are. Those who say they are loyal could be experienced cheaters. But we will see. When in doubt, I ask questions.
Marriage - I have never been married but I would like to get married. The last thing I want is a divorce. The word marriage has sort of become a dirty word now but I am old fashioned. I like relationship labels, and I hope you are the same. A side note, I'm not into having a big wedding. Or a diamond ring. Or to dress fancy for a pre-wedding shoot. The National Gallery of Art has three self portraits of a Hungarian photographer and his wife. I would like to have a wedding like theirs. Which means I would just like to hang out with my SO somewhere, take some pictures ourselves, and call it a wedding. If you never had a proper family, fear not, we would have one on our own. However, having a toxic childhood should not be an excuse for exhibiting toxic behaviors. I would never set myself on fire to keep you warm. It would not help.
Sex - It would be too intimidating if you have had unsafe sex, a lot of sex, or many sexual partners in the past. Premarital sex is off the table. People make fun of those who have never had sex, which I do not get; I do not care and even would very much prefer that, because I would not have to grieve over your past. But, then again, grieving is a part of life. It is alright if you are not a virgin, just do not lie to me about your sexual past. I do not really have a sex drive. Mentally speaking, I would be okay if you never wanted to have sex, I would also be okay if you wanted to have a lot of sex. Because I do not specifically crave for sex; I crave for love. In other word, I count all types of affection as a whole, and sex does not specifically stand out from all the rest. Physically speaking, I would not be compatible with those who have a high sex drive, as I think overindulgence in sex is destructive. Also, I would not be compatible with those who are into kinky sex/ filming sex tapes. There is nothing wrong with those, they are just not my thing. I think having boundaries in bed does not mean I do not love them, or love them less than those who have no boundaries. I would never take birth control pills/ wear an IUD, because they have many side effects that I do not want to deal with. Respect my choices.
Kids - I do not have kids. But I would like to raise kids. Ask yourself, honestly, if you are mature enough, and ready to be a father. "But I am not ready, just yet; there are things I want to achieve before I become a father." Find someone younger, then. I would like to add that I have no reason to doubt my fertility as I take reasonably good care of myself. I have no, and never had any, chronic diseases or illnesses. Am at a healthy weight, somewhat slim even. 5 feet 7 inches tall. In the event that I was infertile, surrogacy would not be an option. It goes against my morals. So, again, think twice. I would like to raise adopted kids, and treat them like they are my biological kids. I would not dump my husband if, he was found to be infertile at any point of the marriage. Technically I would be fine if you do not want to raise kids at all, but providing a home for some orphans is something I could do, and I do not want to pass that on.
Living together - I have always, and still am against the idea of living together before marriage. There is nothing wrong with cohabitation, it is just again not my thing. I would gladly introduce my roommate when I was in school to you if you are worried that I have some weird quirks. I might or might not bribe her before I introduce her to you.
Money - I am not rich, and was not born rich, but I have no debts. Never had debts. I am aware that some debts are justifiable, like student loan. I worked in the academia. I just started doing something new, related to my field of study, and that makes me happy. Whether you are a postdoc, or a high school drop out, makes no difference to me. For those who think that throwing me a sentence like “I am a lawyer” would be enough to make me talk, have some self respect. I am fine with my Reddit inbox collects only dust.
Religion - I suppose I have always been mostly an agnostic. My parents sent me to a Christian middle school, then a Christian high school. It would be great if you are a God believer and do not mind me being a non religious person. We could read Bible together. It would also be great if you are a non religious person but follow traditional values.
Smoking, drinking and doing drugs - I do not smoke cigarettes. Or vape. Or whatever. I do not do soft/ hard drugs. Have no past addictions. I do not take over-the-counter drugs even. I do not drink alcohol. If you drink responsibly, then I do not have a problem with that.
Dietary choices - I am an omnivore. Have no food allergies. Please be a meat eater. I do not want to get into an argument with you over a tuna egg sandwich I make for our kids. I would not raise my kids vegan. They should be able to make their own choices when they are old enough. I like cooking quite a bit. Would learn to cook all your favorite dishes.
Pets - I do not have any pets.
Gaming - I do not gamble. I have never played any video or computer games. Game soundtracks though I do often pay attention to.
Tattoos - Sure, why not?
Earrings - Why not? I would buy you earrings.
Long hair - Why not? I would braid your hair when you are asleep, though.
Politics - I am against communism, and totalitarianism. Trump 2020. Please read my reddit history. I pretty much stopped using this account altogether, except posting on Foreveralonedating, because this account has 33 male followers, and that is creepy, and makes me feel very uncomfortable. But my reddit history should give you a hint on what kind of a person I am. (Update: 68 followers now, which shows you how disgusting and creepy some, if not most, men on this site are.)
P.S. This is Reddit, a wonderful yet utterly dangerous place, strangers. Especially for women. So many people prey on the weak. Even scammers would tell you that “you are everything I have been looking for since forever”. Canned messages are easy to spot, because I am smarter than you imagined. There were people who messaged me from throwaway accounts, which I noticed later filled with porn posts. Accounts with no post history are fishy. Anyhow at some point let's do a photo verification. Maybe we could take a selfie while holding a piece of paper with something like "Today's February 33 1920" written on it. Thank you all for sending me a selfie right off the bat. But I do not trust you enough to click on it. Also please do not ask me to talk to you over the phone/ do a video chat with you right off the bat. If you absolutely do not know what to write, check out "pinned post II", there's a list of 30 questions. I talk to one person, if ever there was one, at a time.
TL;DR - I am a non religious person who holds traditional values and beliefs, which for obvious reasons give me a hard time these days. If you see this post, message me, no matter when.
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2020.11.26 15:34 forevercatacomb Revelation Of The Method

There is one question very few are asking. Even on the most obscure blogs or conspiracy forums, we don’t find serious discussion of it.
That question is the reason we created this website in the first place, and called it coronacircus.
Why make it a circus?
Why make this whole “pandemic” such a “scamdemic”? There are so many obvious, blatant holes; we’ve been noticing them for a long time, and millions have too. It seems too easy. The central planners themselves are giving us all the figures and the information we need to realize this “virus” is a nothing burger.
Why is that exactly?
There is one example (among the many) that grants validity to this question, it is the case of Sweden. What’s up with Sweden? No house arrests, no curfews, no muzzle mandates. And they’re doing just fine. Why was this allowed? And why would its success be flaunted? It’s not like Sweden isn’t controlled by the same occult interests that control the rest of the world.
Elsewhere, it’s true there are a lot of masked faces roaming everywhere. But more people than we know resent having to wear one; they comply only for fear of shaming.
We realize the truth about the circus by speaking to hairdressers and taxi drivers. They’re interesting because they talk to lots of different people. Simple, friendly questions like, “don’t you think it’s strange billionaires are getting so much richer with all this?”, or “don’t you think they overestimated the threat, and that there is a lot of over-reaction?” will yield interesting results.
More people than we know aren’t buying it, even if they aren’t vociferously denouncing it. But they aren’t taking a vaccine anytime soon; at least that’s true in Europe and the USA.
And yet again: why would the MSM tell us this exactly?
As we already covered, this has been happening for a long time. One example is the Saddam Hussein WMDs. Why make the lie so blatant? Why not simply plant WMDs in a cave somewhere in Iraq and make a photo op and a movie about the perilous discovery? Why do the actual opposite? And why did Fahrenheit 9/11 win an Oscar exactly?
Each side of the fake left/right dialectic is being fed different identities, and is being driven to cynicism and pessimism in different ways … both sides agree the “current system must go”. It’s the fault either of the “white supremacist colonialist patriarchy” (socialism is the answer), or the “globalists, the UN, China and George Soros” (nationalism is the answer).
Each side holds half the truth. And the truth is everyone has a common adversary: government. That is, the largest enslaver and mass-murderer across geography and history. When it is coercive and involuntary, it represents mankind’s mortal enemy. Whatever parasitic force controls it from time immemorial, if there is one, is merely its catalyst.
What if many conspiracy theories, however true, are part of the conspiracy? What if we are supposed to be outraged at the Iraq war and 2008 bank bailouts, or to think Epstein was murdered or escaped, and to refuse a vaccine, or even to completely reject the current system?
Remember: Fox News speaks against Bill Gates and the coronacircus. Murdoch’s Fox News, that very same neocon cheerleader of the Iraq war. Elon Musk does too.
The deep State isn’t deep at all, it is very obvious, too obvious.
But Why?
We must first give the phenomenon a name. We like this one: revelation of the method. The central planners are telling us exactly what they’re doing, they’re flaunting their crimes and impunity, and they are making their script increasingly preposterous.
What reason could explain such a loose script?
Here are a few possibilities, from the most benign to the least:
Incompetence. They either released a virus, or thought this natural virus could be “the one”, but it didn’t work as planned. They played out the script as if it had (because that’s what they had prepared), and they are extremely disappointed with this nothing burger of a virus.
They don’t care. They figure the vast majority of people at this point will put up with and swallow anything they put out, however preposterous, so why go through the effort of manufacturing something real? And if it can serve to troll the few that are interested in the truth, further alienate them from the rest, that’s an added bonus.
Pure arrogance. They believe they are so powerful they can openly mock us, invent absolutely anything, and always get away with it. They are showcasing their power to themselves and their peers. It is akin to the duping delight.
A psychological warfare ploy consisting in openly showcasing their power and impunity in order to produce a subconscious thrill within the audience of the “perfect crime”; this leads to cognitive dissonance, Stockholm syndromes, and learned helplessness. This book describes that idea in further detail : Michael A Hoffman – Secret societies and psychological warfare, here is a full copy for evaluation purposes (that’s where we got the name “revelation of the method”).
Consent. There is some natural law that costs them if they impede on our free will. Therefore they should get our consent, or its closest analogue: oblivious submission. Voluntary servitude is no servitude at all (in their mind).
An occult ritual. It is part of an initiation ritual. Also known as a rite of passage. First isolation, second humiliation, third evolution. The occult rulers are planning a change for humanity, and this is the introductory ritual. The initiate (humanity) needs to enter a “new age”. The butterfly must shed its chrysalis, the phoenix must rise after the fire, ordo ab chao. This involves destroying the existing system, which the people must voluntarily discard. The preposterous circus, the blatant idiocracy, is meant towards that goal.
Our readers know of our penchant for that last level of understanding. The truth is likely a combination of things, including some that aren’t listed here; how far down the rabbit hole one must go to find it is the question.
Eschatological Script
Going down that rabbit hole, we discover a prevalent theme: that of an “end of times”. It is even being openly announced, either as a “new world order” or lately a “great reset”. It’s always the same idea.
Here are its different colors, from the most accepted to the least:
The Earth is warming and overpopulated, our Earth and humanity are in peril, a climate catastrophe is happening. That is the story of a great flood, as the effect of the alleged global warming is said to be the catastrophic rise of oceans. The globalist new world order is upon us, congruent with the rise of China. A large reset is in the cards, that should involve a debt jubilee, cashless society, and universal basic income; it is the end of individual liberty as we know it. Something is going on with the Earth, or actually it may have something to do with the sun. Whether it’s a pole shift, an asteroid, a ghost planet or a solar flash, a catastrophe is announced. We are in the age of prophecy, as predicted by religious sages and books. The fastest-growing Jewish congregation post-WW2 is inherently messianic; Islam has been overtaken by a wave of imminent eschatology; Christian evangelicals are seeing the signs of the coming tribulation; Pope Francis addresses the end of the world on St Peter’s square; and the New Age is understood by its very name. None of these views can be dismissed out of hand; they all hold some amount of merit. An interesting first question is: what do the central planners believe?
The ones we’re talking about are those that planned 9/11 at the highest level, with full cognizance that it was an occult ritual, a mass-illusion, a mass human sacrifice, and a televised reenactment of the destruction of Solomon’s temple.
What do they actually believe in?
Do they think the Earth is about to get destroyed, and that’s why they don’t care anymore? Or do they think Saturn, Lucifer, Yaldabaoth or an alien, whether real or imaginary, will present itself to humanity and save the day for them? Or is it something else? Or don’t they believe in any kind of abrupt change at all, at this is all just a sick game?
And most importantly, what is the truth?
Wait For It
The answer is so simple, and so beautiful, that we must first repeat the question.
Why do the central planners make such a preposterous circus? Why all the absurd claims, the blatant manifestations of incompetence? And the occult symbolism, the rituals, the sick obsession with numbers and dates?
Surely there are more efficient ways to govern. We cannot be made to think they are incompetent, at least when it comes to human psychology.
So why are they doing all this? And this occult stuff, does it work? Is magic real?
And what is the truth? What will happen to humanity? Are the end-times coming?
There is one answer to these questions, and it is beautiful.
The Answer
That is the end of the rabbit hole.
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Here is the answer:
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It doesn’t really matter.
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It is beautiful because it exists.
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Nothing can harm you.
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You have nothing to fear.
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All of it is just a dream.
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We could ask you to think about the past; you would conjure memories into your mind. We could ask you to think about the future; you may come up with projects, aspirations, or intuitions.
Similarly, please try now to think of the present. The most “now” moment possible. Just for as long as you wish to. It is something that cannot be described in language, it must be experienced.
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Auxiliary Answer
Yes, that’s excellent news. There’s nothing to fear; that is a commendation of action. The Truth escapes language; that implies humility. It is a beautiful dream; it is fascinating to scrutinize it and try to understand what’s going on.
In this apparent reality, there are barbarians playing the role of the shadow. They represent the absence of love, beauty and truth (fundamental substances of this reality). Theirs is a very strange game, and they are putting on a very strange show.
Here is what we humbly think they’re playing at.
They know a big change is necessarily happening because the money system is unsustainable. It will be the greatest economic catastrophe in the history of money. They built a tower of debt over generations, and it has already been patched up beyond repair; rather than let it fall freely, its inevitable destruction must be controlled. They’ve been preparing for it for a long time. These barbarians also think they can “hack” this reality; they rely on spells and other pathetic rituals to exert control.
We mean pathetic in the literal sense: inspiring pity. One cannot imagine the gripping fear they must be enduring to be behaving like they do. And their erratic criminal behavior is increasing in tandem with their fear.
If there is one revolutionary factor we can consider to try and predict the future, it is the Internet. Like the printing press or writing itself, it drastically reduces the cost of accessing ideas. But new ideas are built from old ideas, so the digital age actually reduces the cost of producing ideas, by several orders of magnitude. And more interaction of ideas favors the emergence of beauty and truth, as dictated by nature.
Of course if the sun is a recurrent nova and the Earth is about to be rebooted, we revert to our first answer. It’s no big deal.
But if this timeline continues, and we think it will, then it is inevitable the barbarians will fail. They are currently playing out an eschatological script, that they are conjuring up from some barbaric tradition in order to hypnotize the world. When the money system goes, they want people to revolt, to destroy everything, to kill each other, and then to worship them.
And that’s why they will fail: the Earth is vast, scarcity is a myth, overpopulation is a myth, we are perfectly capable of being prosperous and healthy in voluntary, decentralized communities. Central planning does not work, nature abhors it, it has been tried countless times, it has always failed.
In this dream we call reality, we would suggest non-cooperation with the barbarians, and that means leaving their cities.
Source: https://coronacircus.com/
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2020.11.26 04:30 NuclearHoax2 Working on an Earth history timeline based on saturnian cosmology.

Part 2: An Reconstructed Earth History Timeline we can all agree on

This is my reconstructed timeline of Earth History events. Depending on your source, some of these dates may be offset as much as +-100 years.

4220 BC - Age of Taurus begins, Gemini ends

Before any recorded age began, Saturn was a stable L-Type Brown Dwarf System floating through our galaxy as a positively charged anode in a neutral galactic environment. As it entered our Positively charged Sun's orbit, Saturn would become connected to the Sun's environment as a negatively charged cathode and strong cathode jets would cause it to 'Light up'. It is speculated that at this time Saturn's system became unstable and exploded created the gas planets Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus, and Venus.

4077 BC - Saturn joins the Sun's orbit and lights up. "Let there be Light".

Until this moment, Earth had been hiding like a seedling safely inside Saturn's nurturing "brown dwarf" system. Then, suddenly and lastingly, there was a catalystic light source that caused life to spring into action:
Gn:1:3: And God (Saturn) said, Let there be light: and there was light.
In this time Saturn was called Kronos, the Timeless God, or the God before time. Without clocks, the positions of the planets and stars were the only way to tell time. Saturn's system was now orbiting our Sun and with this apparent motion, time began.
Birkeland currents coursed through the planets and forced them into a new co-linear configuration, connecting each planet from north to south pole, like an array of batteries. From anywhere on the northern hemisphere of the Earth, one could look northwards and see in order: Mars, Venus, (possibly Mercury and our Moon hidden behind Venus), Behind all of these was the gas giant Saturn. Behind Saturn was the gas giant Jupiter, which was not yet visible. Behind Jupiter, at a 26.7 degree angle, was our Sun. All together, they form an unmistakable Star and crescent in the sky worshiped throughout the Persian, Roman, Byzantine, and Ottoman Empires, and throughout Islam today. This new deity was known in Egypt as Osiris the Triform God, and as "The Trinity" in Babylonian and Abrahamic religion. This crescent was slowly rotating causing a separation between night and day:
Gn:1:4: And God (Saturn) saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
In Norse mythology, each heim ('house') in the configuration was named so: Niflheim (Realm of Myst / Saturn), Muspelheim (Realm of Fire / Uranus + Neptune + Nibiru / Peratt's Column), Helheim (Realm of the Dead / Underworld / Unknown location), Asgard (Atlantis/Earth's North Pole), Jotunheim (Realm of Giants / Unknown location), Vanaheim (Unknown location), Alfheim (Bright realm of Elves / Unknown location), Svartalfheim (Dark realm of Dwarves / Unknown location). The Norse also had a name for this powerful new "Bridge between Worlds": The Bifrost.
Sometimes locations were personified; Mars was FenriFenris the Wolf and appeared as a spherical planet, while Venus was the Midgard Dragon / Serpent / Doomsday Comet and appeared stretched out in may shapes and colors, none of which resembled a planet. It is during this time that Mars makes eight 'descents' to Earth creating the appearance of Osiris, the Triform God.

Southern Hemisphere Configuration


In 2003, Anthony L. Peratt described ancient testimony of 3 intense "plasmoids" in the southern region of the world. The 3 "plasmoids" were the planets Uranus, Neptune, and Nibiru (9th Planet "X") forming the lower end of the conjunction. While authors like Jno Cook suggest the 3 southern plasmoids of "Peratt's Column" lit up between 10,900 BC and 8347 BC, a more likely explanation would be that they lit up after Saturn was connected to our Sun in 4077 BC, and not before. Snorre's Edda states:
"Still there was before a world to the south which was called Muspelheim. It is light and hot, and so bright and dazzling that no stranger, who is not a native there, can stand it" 
This means darker-skinned humans came from the southern end of the Earth. Pretty cool, eh?
Also, visible on the Southern Hemisphere was "the Absu", also called "The Abyss" in the Christian Bible. This 'seal' was the salt-water outer layer sheath of Saturn's remaining brown dwarf system and appeared to humans as obscuring equatorial rings in the southern sky.

The Golden Age


This period of stable co-linear configuration is remembered throughout the civilizations of the Earth. The Hindu Brahma, Yama, Vishnu, and Manu describe the age of the Brilliant Yima. To the Chinese, it was the reign of Yellow Emperor” Huang-ti, founder of Taoism. In Northern Europe, Peace of Frodi. In the Christian Bible, this 930 year period was the Garden of Eden.
In The Myth of the Golden Age 1997, David Talbott describes Eden:
"The world was quite other than what it is today: the trees were forever in fruit; the animals lived in perfect harmony, and the little Agouti played fearlessly with the beard of the Jaguar" 
A planet connected in series to a larger body (Saturn) will alter it's axial tilt relative to the Galaxy As each planet was connected in series, their axial tilt would stay synchronized even as the entire system Orbited the Sun, but after the planets left the configuration, each would connect to the Sun's environment in parallel and their axial tilts would be fixed indefinitely. This is the reason Earth, Mars, Saturn, and Neptune have matching axial tilts within 3 degrees.
By the end of this 930 year period, each planet in the configuration had become a "fully charged" capacitor, unable to accept more charge. The configuration violently came to an end, and the age of cataclysm began...

Quantum Entanglement

During the Golden Age, there was an over-abundance of high-amplitude, low-voltage energy flowing through each planet in the configuration which Norse refers to as "The Bifrost". As the planets in this configuration did not spin, each North and South pole acted as a strong quantum entanglement between planets.
Building pyramidal structures upon these locations enabled humans to travel instantaneously through the Bifrost.

3147 BC - The Golden Age Ends Violently, 240-day year.

Within a very short time, at least eight planets (including Earth) broke from the configuration and exited Saturn's protective plasma sheath 'seal', the Absu. This caused a world-wide "Flood of Gilgamesh" as Earth and the other planets passed through "brown dwarf" Saturn's remaining salt-water outer layer. As a result, Earth received its salty oceans from Saturn, which is why the Atlantic ocean is also called Sea of Kronos. Today the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration cannot legitimately answer the question: "Why is the ocean salty, but rivers flowing into it are not?".
The planets, having left Saturn's orbit, violently compete with each-other for a place in a new orbit of Jupiter. Together, minus Saturn, the planets form an in-parallel non-linear configuration that orbits the Sun in 240-day years for the next 800 years.

3067 BC - Earth, Venus, Mars and Mercury are at war.

Icelandic Epos present the battle of Mars and Venus as a fight between the wolf Fenris and the serpent Midgard. Mars again appeared as a hard sphere, but Venus appeared as a comet with long disheveled hair. Scandinavians recall the Ouroboros or Weltumspanner, as it “Stretched-a-round-the-World” and bit it's own tail. Mars competes with Earth's orbit and is seen visiting Earth as Horus ten times over 300 years.
Jupiter and Saturn battled as well as they exchanged violent plasma discharges seen from Earth. This was the Cosmic Thunderbolt. Jupiter apparently wins the fight, and Saturn recedes to it's final orbit in the outer solar system.

2860 BC - Eight Planets including Earth enter Jupiter's stable orbit.

Resolving the electric imbalances between the planets, Jupiter became king of the planets in Ancient Roman religion and reigned over a period of stability. Planet Jupiter was seen resting in the sky upon a huge mountain. This mountain was Jupiter's south pole plasma outpouring extended out into a massive coma tail. Above Jupiter were smaller horn-like extensions. This was the "Bull of Heaven".
During this time, it was again possible to exploit powerful natural Birkeland Currents coursing between the planets in Jupiter's orbit. Humans on each planet uncovered natural electromagnetic ley lines and built Pyramids upon those locations. With the help of slave-giants, humans built all pyramids in Egypt, Mesopotamia, England, China, and in South America Andes in less than 200 years. This "Artificial Bifrost" quantum entanglement facility made it once again possible for humans to travel between the planets.
All pyramids are man-made StarGates built at locations of quantum entanglement between planets.
Unfortunately, this investment was in vain. The quantum entanglements ended after a few centuries with the departure of the planets from Jupiter's inner orbit. By 2700 BC, the pyramids would no longer function.

2349 BC - Cataclysm with Venus, Jupiter's Three Day Resurrection, "Noah's Ark".

The period of Jupiter's stability ends with the gas giant vanishing below the Absu. The planets begin to compete once again for what would be their final orbits in the Solar System. Venus, leaving the stability of King Jupiter's orbit "laments" at the death of the King and lashes out at the Earth. The violent exchange with Venus parts the sea forcing open the Absu (Saturn's remaining plasma sheath around the Earth) and "turned the sea red", which bled across the sky for three days until only one ring remained.
As the Absu collapsed, the Earth was inundated with a Second Flood of epic proportions. The Christian Bible remembers this event as Noah's Ark, but the real subtext for this event was the wholesale slaughter of humanity. All civilizations across Earth recall this destructive contact with the Raging Goddess, Dragon, or Comet. Venus was associated with Hathor, Sekhmet, and Anath in Egypt, Tiamat in Mesopotamian, Kali in Hinduism, and even Grendel from Beowulf.

Jupiter "Rises from the Dead".

The cataclysmic contact with Venus ends as Jupiter re-appears (from a cave) through the fading Absu. Jupiter, apparently risen from the dead after three days, once again appears upon it's mountain (or throne). This "resurrection" seemed to have the affect of calming the destructive rage of Venus. The newly independent inner planets begin to form stronger electro-magnetic fields. Earth's new orbit results in a 260 day year and manages to capture our Moon, which becomes visible for the first time. With the Absu significantly reduced, stars were also visible in the southern hemisphere for the first time.
The intervention of Jupiter is celebrated around the world as the "Day of the Dead" during the culmination of the newly-visible Pleiades. Jupiter's benevolent reign was a model of the 'Good King' that inspired human nations for ages to come.
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2020.11.25 23:24 CatEyes420 How the Rothschilds took over the World (long but informative)

Amschel Moses Rothschild was born in about 1710. He was a German Jewish silk trader and money changer in the Judengasse (Jewstreet) in Frankfurt. Around 1743 he placed a red hexagram sign (which numerically and geometrically convert into the number 666) above the entrance of his door. His house was also red in color.
Within two centuries, the Rothschild, instructed this hexagram sign to be made part of the Israeli flag 🇮🇱. He had 8 children with Schönche Lechnich, one of his sons, Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), is the founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty. He marries Guttle SchnappeSchönche Lechnich (Rothschild) in 1770, and they have 10 children together.
Around 1760, Mayer Amschel Bauer worked for a bank owned by the Oppenheimer (are part of Rothschild family/married, had children together..). Mayer was very successful and became a junior partner, where he meets General von Estorff.
After Mayer Amschel Bauer’s father Moses Amschel Bauer died, Mayer changed his name from Bauer to Rothschild (Rot = red / Schild = sign).
Mayer Amschel Rothschild and his sons establish what was known as the Five Arrows of Banking. These golden arrows can be seen on the eagle’s talons visible on the coat of arms city from Frankfurt, Germany. It represented the 5 sons who managed the global banking Houses of the Rothschild which included:
• Frankfurt • London • Paris • Vienna • Napl 
Mayer discovers that General von Estorff is aquatinted with the court of Prince William IX, Landgrave of Hesse-Hanau (known today as Hesse-Kassel) (married?). The royal house of William obtained its’ wealth by the hiring out or exporting their soldiers to foreign countries for major profit.
Mayer began selling William IX rare trinkets, treasures, and coins at extra low prices. Eventually, as planned, Mayer is introduced to the Prince himself, who is delighted with the modified prices. Mayer even offers the prince a perk for any new business opportunities, William could direct his way. As a result, Mayer Amschel Rothschild and Prince William join forces and become business accomplices.
In 1769, Prince William grants Mayer approval to hang a sign on his business storefront declaring that he is, “M. A. Rothschild, by appointment court factor to his serene highness, Prince William of Hanau.”
In 1773, Amschel Mayer Rothschild is born, eventually he would take over the Frankfurt bank. He is the first of Mayer’s sons who will all eventually enter the family business at 12 years of age. He is followed by Salomon Mayer Rothschild, in 1774.
In 1776, Mayer Amschel Rothschild creates the Illuminati and hands over the organizations development to Adam Weishaupt. Weishaupt sneaks in the Continental Order of Freemasons with this Illuminati doctrine. This doctrine claims a new order for the human race under the dictatorship of Satan and his supporters. This view is accepted and spread like a wildfire and is pursued in Masonic Lodges worldwide to this day.
In 1777, Nathan Mayer Rothschild is born, who is followed by Kalmann (Carl) Mayer Rothschild/Carl Mayer Freiherr von Rothschild in 1788. Carl is the founder of the Rothschild banking family of Naples. He had child named Adolf Carl....
In 1791, Alexander Hamilton, (a Rothschild representative in George Washington’s cabinet) and the Rothschilds, infiltrated a central bank in the newly established United States colonies. This bank was know as the Bank of the United States and was organized with a 20 year charter.
“Jacob” or “James” Mayer de Rothschild or Baron de Rothschild is born in 1792. Originally named Jakob Mayer Rothschild. He is the youngest child of Mayer. He was a German-French banker and is the founder of the French banking branch of the Rothschild family. He had 5 children.
Amschel Mayer Rothschild marries Eva Hanau in 1796.
In 1798, Mayer, grants his son, Nathan Mayer Rothschild, a major sum of money, and sends him to England, to advance the family interests in importing textile. This allowed him to establish a bank in the City of London known as N. M. Rothschild & Sons.
In 1806, Prince William, escapes Germany and assigns his $3,000,000 fortune over to Mayer Amschel Rothschild for guardianship, because Napoleon made it his objective to abolish the rulership and influence of the house of Hess-Cassel.
Nathan Mayer also marries Rothschild Hannah Barent Cohen during this time.
In 1808, Nathan Mayer Rothschild has his first child, Lionel Nathan de Rothschild.
In 1810, Mayer entered into a formal partnership agreement with his three eldest sons. Abraham Goldsmid and Sir Francis Baring die, leaving Nathan Mayer Rothschild as the last major remaining banker in England.
Salomon Mayer Rothschild launches the bank, M. von Rothschild und Söhne in Vienna, Austria. And Calmann ("Carl") established the branch in Naples, Italy.
The youngest son Jacob, was sent to Paris in 1811, strengthening the family's ability to operate across Europe by opening the bank “de Rothschild Frères. This allowed them to profit by funding the Wellington's armies in Portugal, which required them to secure large quantities of gold in favor of the British government.
The charter established between the Rothschild and the Bank of the United States in 1791 runs out in 1811 and Congress decided to vote against its renewal.
Andrew Jackson (7th President of the U.S. from 1829 to 1837) stated, “If Congress has a right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.”
Nathan Mayer Rothschild replied, “Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war.”
In 1812, Britain, which was supported by the Rothschild empire, declared war on the United States. The Rothschilds systematically arranged this war to cause the United States to build up a major debt due to them defending themselves. Eventually, they would have to surrender which forced them to renew the charter for the Rothschild owned Bank of the United States.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild perishes. In his will, he establishes very specific rules that the Rothschild must obey:
• All major positions in the family business may only be held by family members; specifically only male members, which included a rumored sixth bastard son. (Mayer Amschel also had five daughters. Their Zionist empire also included mixed offspring of Jewish decent.) • In order to preserve their fortune they had to intermarry with their first and second cousins (16 of the 18 marriages between Mayers’ grandchildren were between first cousins). • No publication of their estates or inventory • no legal action was to be taken with respect to the value of their fortune • The oldest son of the oldest son was to become the head of the family, but this could be reversed if the bulk of the family decided otherwise. 
The $3,000,000 entrusted to Mayer by Prince William is accounted for in the Jewish Encyclopaedia, 1905 edition, Volume 10, page 494, which states, “According to legend this money was hidden away in wine casks, and, escaping the search of Napoleon’s soldiers when they entered Frankfurt, was restored intact in the same casks in 1814, when the elector (Prince William IX of Hesse-Hanau) returned to the electorate (Germany). The facts are somewhat less romantic, and more businesslike.”
The money was never truly “returned” by Rothschild to Prince William, instead their families married each other for business purposes, to keep the money hidden and allowing both families to gain and grow the empire. The encyclopaedia also states, “Nathan Mayer Rothschild invested this $3,000,000 in, gold from the East India Company knowing that it would be needed for Wellington’s peninsula campaign.” The Rothschilds made, “no less than four profits: 1. i) On the sale of Wellington’s paper which he bought at 50 cents on the dollar and collected at par; 2. ii) on the sale of gold to Wellington; 3. iii) on its repurchase; and 4. iv) on forwarding it to Portugal.”
In 1815, the Rothschild brothers started their policy of financing both sides of the wars by the suppling them with gold Wellington’s army (Nathan in England) and Napoleon’s army (Jacob in France).
Since these brothers had banks spread out across Europe, it allowed them to set up an unmatched postal service grid of secret routes and couriers allowing them to be one step ahead of the crowd.
These couriers were the only ones allowed to pass through the French and English blockades, which then reported back to Nathan and kept him up to date with how the war was going allowing him to buy/sell stock successfully.
When the war ended and the British defeated Napoleon, Nathan, through past strategic planning made a return of 20:1 on his investments, which gave the Rothschilds complete control over the British economy forcing England to establish a different Bank of England, which Nathan controlled. He would later state,
“I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.”
The newly established Bank of England controlled by the Rothschilds changed their approach of shipping gold to different countries by using their five banks across Europe to set up a banking system of paper credits and, which is still used today.
In 1816, the Rothschild’s charter for the Bank of the United States was renewed for twenty more years giving the Rothschilds full control of the American money supply once again.
After the French’s defeat at Waterloo, the French attained major loans in 1817 to rebuild themselves.
In 1818, the Rothschilds, bought large amounts of French government bonds allowing them to take control of the French money supply. They also loaned the Prussian government £5,000,000.
In the year 1821, Kalmann (Carl Mayer Rothschild), was sent to Naples, Italy. There he conducted many business deals with Pope Gregory XVI and the Vatican, eventually coming up with the Order of St. George.
By 1823, the Rothschild empire has gained complete financial control over the Catholic Church operations, globally.
In 1827, Sir Walter Scott, published a nine volume set book series. In volume two he writes that the French Revolution was prepared by Adam Weishaipt’s Illuminati and funded by the Rothschilds’ European banking empire.
In 1835, the 7th president of the United States, Andrew Jackson, began placing the federal funds into banks managed by democratic bankers instead of the Rothschild governed Bank of the United States.
This lead to an assassination attempt being made on President Jackson, who would later declare that he knew the Rothschilds were at fault for the assassination attempt.
The Rothschilds gained ownership over the Almadén quicksilver mines in Spain. This was important, because quicksilver was a critical factor in the refining of gold or silver. This established a basic world monopoly for the Rothschild banking empire.
Nathan Mayer Rothschild dies in 1836. and his bank, N. M. Rothschild & Sons is taken over by his younger brother, James Mayer Rothschild.
In the year 1837, President Andrew Jackson succeeds in overthrowing the Rothschild controlled Bank of America. It wouldn’t be until the year 1913 that the Rothschilds could reestablish their third central bank in America, the (illegal) Federal Reserve.
In 1838, Amschel Mayer Rothschild declares, “Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.”
In 1840, the Rothschilds become stock brokers of the Bank of England. This allows them to set up agencies in Australia and California.
In 1844, Salomon Mayer Rothschild, buys the United Coal Mines of Vítkovice and a Hungarian Blast Furnace Company.
Jacob (James) Mayer Rothschild/Baron James de Rothschild, married his niece, Betty, who is the daughter of his brother Salomon Mayer Rothschild. James wins a deal allowing him to assemble the first major railroad line called the Chemin De Fer Du Nord, which ran from Paris to Valenciennes. Eventually this railway would join together with the Austrian rail-system built by his brother Salomon Mayer Rothschild.
In 1858, Lionel De Rothschild takes his seat in the British parliament making him the first Jewish member.
In 1861, the 16th President of the United States, Abraham Lincoln (1860-1865) secures loans through the Rothschilds to fund the American civil war via Charters, but these loans came at high interest rates (between 24% -36%).
So, Lincoln decided to print his own money, which was debt free and could be legally used in private and public debts/affairs. By April 1862, $449,338,902 of the debt free money Lincoln created was distributed.
In 1863, Italy, unifies causing the (Carl) Rothschild bank in Naples, Italy, to close. So the Rothschilds decided they would use their American assistant, John D. Rockefeller, to help establish an oil business also known as Standard Oil, who became the leader in the industry.
Alexander II (1855 – 1881), Tsar of Russia, also had issues with the Rothschilds, because he refused to let them set up a central bank in Russia. In 1864, Abraham Lincoln discovers this feud and request Tsar to help fund the Civil War. Tsar agrees and sends part of his navy to the coast of New York and California. Allowing Lincoln to win the Civil War.
In 1865, President Lincoln states in a statement to Congress, “I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me, and the financial institution in the rear. Of the two, the one in my rear is my greatest foe.”
President Lincoln is assassinated later that year (1865).
Otto von Bismarck states in 1876, “The division of the United States into two federations of equal force was decided long before the civil war by the high financial power of Europe.These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economical and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world. The voice of the Rothschilds predominated. They foresaw the tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, indebted to the financiers, to the vigorous Republic, confident and self-providing. Therefore they started their emissaries in order to exploit the question of slavery and thus dig an abyss between the two parts of the Republic.”
The 20th President of the United States, James A. Garfield (lasted only 100 Days) stated two weeks before he was assassinated in 1881, “Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”
Edmond James de Rothschild has a son named Maurice de Rothschild. (Adolf Hitler is really Maurice de Rothschild with fake beard and hair piece and carries out his father’s (Baron Abraham Edmond Benjamin James de Rothschild 1845 –1934) work. Since the war caused a sugar shortage, Maurice would have also been the candy man aka Willy Wanka and his top hat 🎩 and cain in his photos match the part).
In 1886, The French Rothschild bank, de Rothschild Frères, gains the Russian oil fields and establishes the Caspian and Black Sea Petroleum Company, which eventually becomes second largest global oil producer.
The Rothschilds become the biggest shareholder of the De Beers company in 1887, which included mining valuable stones in India and Africa. They achieved this by financing the South Africa’s Kimberley diamond mines.
Maurice de Rothschild’s future wife, Noémie Halphen, is born in 1888.
Around 1891, the Rothschilds they purchased the Reuters news agency, to gain control of the media.
In 1895, Edmond James de Rothschild visits Palestine and begins helping fund the first Jewish colonies located there.
In 1897, The Rothschilds organize their first meeting with the Zionist Congress in Munich. However, this meeting was re-arranged to take place in Basle, Switzerland on Aug. 29th, due to Jewish resistance. This meeting is supervised by Theodor Herzl, who would declare in his diaries, “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews….become worse….this will assist in realization of our plans….I have an excellent idea….I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth….The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our best friends.”
Herzl was elected to be the President of the Zionist Organization. The Zionist society adopted the Red Rothschild Hexagram Sign that Amschel Moses Rothschild placed on his house on Judengasse (Jewstreet), on their Zionist flag. This hexagram sign would end up on the flag of Israel 🇮🇱 51 years later.
The Rothschilds help fund Edward Henry Harriman. This allowed him to become the director of the Union Pacific Railroad which would eventually also gain control of the Southern Pacific Railroad.
In 1901 the Jewish colonies established by Edmond James de Rothschild in Palestine. They send him a delegation which states, “If you wish to save the Yishuv (The Jewish colonies) first take your hands from it, and…for once permit the colonists to have the possibility of correcting for themselves what needs correcting.”
Edmond James de Rothschild does not react very well to these news and states, “I created the Yishuv, I alone. Therefore no men, neither colonists nor organisations have the right to interfere in my plans.”
The M. A. von Rothschild und Söhne banking house in Frankfurt, Deutschland 🇩🇪, closes because there was no male Rothschild heir to take over the bank.
The Jewish Encyclopaedia (Vol. 2, p.497) states, “It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.”
In 1906, the Rothschilds insisted that the land was experiencing increased instability, while the Rockefellers were simultaneously becoming a rising competition. This was a lie, because in reality, the Rockefellers were the offspring of the Rothschilds through a female lineage. They owned Standard Oil, which is why they sold their Caspian Black Sea and Caspian Petroleum to Shell and Royal Dutch.
John F. Hylan, then mayor of New York, states in 1911, “The real menace of our republic is the invisible government which, like a giant octopus, sprawls its slimy length over our city, state and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses, generally referred to as international bankers.”
George R. Conroy talks about the Rothschild banker Jacob Schiff in the December 1912 issue of, “Truth,” magazine, and states, “Mr Schiff is head of the great private banking house of Kuhn, Loeb, and co, which represents the Rothschilds interests on this side of the Atlantic. He has been described as financial strategist and has been for years the financial minister of the great impersonal power known as Standard Oil. He was hand in glove with the Harrimans, the Goulds, and the Rockefellers in all their railroad enterprises and has become the dominant power in the railroad and financial power of America.”
The Anti Defamation League (ADL) is established in the United States by the Rothschilds in 1913, which labeled anyone who challenged the Global Elite as “anti-Semitic.” This is also the year that they founded their last central bank which still exists today, the Federal Reserve.
After the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was passed/singed into law on December 23, by the 28th President of the United States, Woodrow Wilson, which created the Federal Reserve Banking System, Congressman Charles Lindbergh, stated, “The Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this Bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized…….The greatest crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill.”
The Federal Reserve System is a private Organization also known as a charity and is Illegal!!! They also do not publish their accounts*
By the year 1914 the Rothschilds have gained control of multiple European media agencies, which included, Havas (est. 1835) in France, Wolff (est. 1849) in Germany, and Reuters (est. 1851) in England. Wolff News company was used to systematically shape German individuals into believing war the way to go. Since the Rothschilds owned the media now, they were seldomly reported on.
Since, Tsar Alexander II choose to side with President Lincoln in the Cvil War in 1864, he and his whole family in Russia were executed in 1917 by an order of the Rothschilds. They kill the entire family to show the world what happens when you try to cross them.
In 1919, Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the boss, hosted the Versailles peace convention, which meets after the end of World War I to determine what must be repaid by the Germans to the victors. In this conference, it is also officially declared that Israel would be considered a Jewish homeland. Control of Palestine was handed to Britain, which the Rothschilds ruled.
The Times of London report on March 29th on the Bolsheviks in Russia stating, “One of the curious features of the Bolshevist movement is the high percentage of non Russian elements among its leaders. Of the twenty or thirty commissaries, or leaders, who provide the central machinery of the Bolshevist movement, not less than 75% were Jews.”
The Rothschilds were not happy with the Russians because they did not want them to establish their own central bank within their community. So they hired Jewish agents to spy on Russia and plant seeds in the heads of the Russian community about a revolution that would assist the common man by promoting rebellion through riots. The Rothschilds strategically set this up to conquer Russia, so they could establish their own bank there.
The International Edition of the Jewish Post (January 1991)verifies that Vladimir Lenin was Jewish and was caught on record declaring, “The establishment of a central bank is 90% of communizing a nation.”
These Jewish Bolsheviks, funded by the Rothschild would end up would end up slaughtering 60 million Non-Jews and Christians in a Soviet controlled region.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, an author, confirms in his writings, “Gulag Archipelago, Vol 2,” that the Zionist Jews planned and executed the Soviet concentration camp structure. Where millions of Non-Jews and Christians died. On page 79 of his book he mentions the names of the leaders who were behind these camps. This included the Zionist Jews, Yakov Rappoport, Aron Solts, Naftaly Frenkel, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh Yagoda, and Matvei Berman.
The role of adjusting the daily global gold prices is permanently handed over to M. Rothschild & Sons’. Every day around 1100 hours this change took place in the City of London offices, in the same room, until 2004.
N. M. Rothschild & Sons banking house invests in the Underground Electric Railways Company of London Ltd in 1926 giving them total control of the London railway transport system.
Maurice de Rothschild son, Edmond de Rothschild is also born in 1926.
By 1933, the Rothschilds controlled the supply machines of IBM, which produced punch cards (used to input data into the first computers), which allowed the Nazis to organize and identify the Jewish individuals and kept track of their confiscated property and eventual extermination.
The Swiss bank secrecy laws are altered in 1934, making it a violation for any bank employee to breach the bank secrecy. This was arranged by the Rothschilds to prepare for World War II, where again, they would back both sides.
The Austrian bank in Vienna, S. M. von Rothschild und Söhne, closed in 1938 after the Nazi settlement of Austria.
The biggest producer of steel Germany and preeminent manufacturer of chemicals for the world was a company called, I.G. Farben, who in 1939, suddenly ramped up its production in order to equip Germany for World War II. The Rothschilds controlled I.G. Farben, who also produced the Zyklon B gas used to exterminate the Jewish population. The Rothschilds also used the Jews and other people in the concentration camps for slave labor.
World War II begins in 1939.
The book, “Inside The Gestapo,” written by Hansjurgen Koehler in 1940, mentions Adolf Hitler’s grandmother, Maria Anna Schicklgruber, and states, “A little servant girl…….came to Vienna and became a domestic servant…….at the Rothschild mansion…….and Hitler’s unknown grandfather must be probably looked for in this magnificent house.”
In Walter Langer book, “The Mind Of Hitler,” he supports this statement by writing, “Adolf’s father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber…….Maria Anna Schicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived. At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back home…….where Alois was born.”
Prescott Bush was the father of George Herbert Walker Bush and the grandfather of George W. Bush, both future presidents. He helped finance Hitler from America. Due to his funding, his organization was seized in the, “Trading With The Enemy Act of 1942.”
World War II ends in 1945. It is also noted that the I.G. Farben companies only sustained 15% damage, concluding that they were not a target in the bombing of Germany. Any information connecting Western aid to Hitler is censored through the Nazi War Crimes investigation held at the end of World War II by the tribunals.
In Spring of 1948, the 33rd President of the United States Harry S. Truman (1945 – 1953) is bribed with $2,000,000 by the Rothschilds to acknowledge Israel (Rothschild owned) as a Jewish sovereign state in Palestine. The United States is the first nation to recognize it and the new flag is soon revealed. The new Israel flag depicted a blue hexagram on it, which was exactly like the red Rothschild hexagram, found on Amschel Moses Rothschild’s doorstep.
The Jewish knew the hexagram represented the “Moloch,” which was the biblical name of a Canaanite god relating to child sacrifice, by means of fire or war. The stone owl located at the Bohemian Grove worshipped by the elite is also named Moloch and Astaroth (Lord Treasurer of Hell). The hexagram also symbolized Saturn, which has been identified as the mystical name for “Satan.” This would mean that anyone murdered in the name of Israel was in reality an offering to Satan.
In 1953, the British Newfoundland Corporation Ltd was founded by N. M. Rothschild & Sons of London. They build a power plant to harness the electricity of the Hamilton (renamed Churchill) Falls (waterfall) on 60,000 square miles of terrain in Newfoundland, Canada.
Edmond de Rothschild established Compagnie Financiere, Paris, in 1955.
In the year 1962, the French banking house, de Rothschild Frères, founded Imétal, a shade company for all their mineral excavating shares.
A book called, “The Rothschilds”, written by Frederic Morton writes, “Though they control scores of industrial, commercial, mining and tourist corporations, not one bears the name Rothschild. Being private partnerships, the family houses never need to, and never do, publish a single public balance sheet, or any other report of their financial condition.”
This statement showcases the true mission of the Rothschilds. It was their objective to eradicate all competition and establish their own global monopoly.
On July 4th 1962, the 35th President of the United States, John F. Kennedy, held a speech at Independence Hall, in which he mocked the Declaration of Independence and states that the Constitution, “stressed not Independence but Interdependence.”
On June 4th 1963, the 35th President of the United States, John F. Kennedy, issues the Executive Order 11110, which returned the power to distribute currency back to the U.S. government, without having to go through the Federal Reserve possessed by the Rothschilds.
On November 22nd 1963, Kennedy was shot by the Rothschilds. Kennedy’s motive was to distribute and print American currency for the American people. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated for the same reason in 1865 by the Rothschilds.
The 37th President of the United States, Lyndon Baines Johnson, declares the Executive Order 11110 as void, the same day that Kennedy was killed.
La Compagnie Financière Edmond de Rothschild (LCF), in Switzerland, an investment bank with many associates is established by Edmond de Rothschild. Today, this bank is known as the Swiss Bank. Edmond marries Nadine and have a son together named, Benjamin de Rothschild.
In 1973, Gary Allen, wrote a book called, None Dare Call It Conspiracy, which states, “One major reason for the historical blackout on the role of the international bankers in political history is the Rothschilds were Jewish… ….The Jewish members of the conspiracy have used an organisation called The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as an instrument to try and convince everyone that any mention of the Rothschilds and their allies is an attack on all Jews. In this way they have stifled almost all honest scholarship on international bankers and made the subject taboo within universities. Any individual or book exploring this subject is immediately attacked by hundreds of ADL communities all over the country. The ADL has never let the truth or logic interfere with its highly professional smear jobs… ….Actually, nobody has a right to be more angry at the Rothschild clique than their fellow Jews… ….The Rothschild empire helped finance Adolf Hitler.”
IBM was controlled by the Rothschilds through their employee, George J. Laurer. IBM creates the UPC (Universal Product Code) barcode, which is placed upon every product traded worldwide. IBM’s UPC barcode bears the mark of the beast, 666. Everything bought or sold is therefore the mark of the beast.
The Book of Revelation 13:17 says, “No man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”
The Churchill Falls power plant in Newfoundland, Canada, is finished. N. M. Rothschild & Sons of London, adds an asset management company, called the Rothschild Private Management Limited, which traded globally. Today this company is know as Rothschild & Co.
In 1980, global privatization starts due to the Rothschilds plan to eventually seize power of all publicly held assets.
In 1981, a new bank called, Compagnie Européenne de Banque is established in France. The successor to this bank is Rothschild & Cie Banque (RCB), which eventually becomes a leading French investment company.
Eustace Mullins writes in 1985, “Who Owns The TV Networks,“ where he discloses that the Rothschilds control of the three dominant U.S. Networks at the time: NBC; CBS; and ABC.
Edmond de Rothschild sets up the World Conservation Bank in 1987, which transferred debts from third world countries into his bank. This allowed the Rothschilds to gain land as a return from these countries. The Rothschilds systematically designed this system to gain control of the third world countries, which were about 30% of the land on Earth.
The French and British Rothschilds declare in 1989, the launch of a new branch called, Rothschild GmbH, located in Frankfurt, Germany.
Former Federal Reserve Board Chairman, Paul A. Volker becomes the new Chairman of the banking firm, J. Rothschild, Wolfensohn and Co. in Europe in March 1992.
In 1995, Dr Kitty Little, a past atomic energy scientist, stated that the Rothschilds now possessed 80% of the uranium supplies globally, creating their nuclear power monopoly.
The European Central Bank is established in 1998 and is located in Frankfurt, Germany.
George W. Bush, becomes the 43rd President of the United States in the year 2000. Bush and his family declare they are the ancestors of the House of Plantagenet, whose linage stems from the Royal House of Judah.
The September 11th attack of the Twin Towers was arranged by the United States, Britain, and Israel, through an order received from the Rothschilds. It was their goal to gain security and control over the world, while simultaneously eliminating the liberty of people globally. The Rothschild’s terrorist attack allowed them to gain power over nations who refused to build a central Rothschild bank. One of these 7 nations was Afghanistan, (at the time a nation without R. Bank, but 9/11 changed this.)
They also will use the attacks to gain control of the few nations in the world who don’t allow Rothschild central banks and so less than one month after these attacks, US forces attack Afghanistan, one of only 7 nations in the world who don’t have a Rothschild controlled central bank.
A week before the twin tower attack, the Zim Shipping Company, located in the World Trade Centers, break their lease and leave behind their work station. No explanation has been given, but it is know that the Zim Shipping Company is half owned by the State of Israel, which is owned by The Rothschilds.
In the year 2003, Iraq (Ancient Babylon), is one of the last six nations left that who don’t have a central bank owned by the Rothschilds. The war in Iraq was mostly about robbing their water sources for Israel. Israel has always struggled for water. Water is rare in Israel, so to them water is far more valuable than the oil reserves, which happen to be the second largest oil reserves on the globe.
In 2006, the Edmond De Rothschild Banque a secondary branch of the Edmond De Rothschild bank in France, is the first foreign bank to acquire authorization of the China to enter China’s economic market.
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2020.11.25 17:23 mirthrandirthegrey Is the Bible historically accurate?

Is the Bible at all credible as a historical Text?
In this Argument for creation I am going about it differently than most. The main reason some Christians believe in Yahweh creating the universe is it says so in the Bible (Genesis 1). If the Bible is completely inaccurate and had no evidence to validate itself then, the creation account at the beginning would be greatly diminished in its strength as an answer to the beginning of this universe. The reason for testing the veracity of the claim, the Bible being a credible historical text, is to at the very least create some dialogue to if creation by Yahweh is possible. If the Bible throughout its writings has been consistently historically accurate, it is reasonable to assume the creation account has some credibility. I will be going through the Bible to see if there is any evidence to believe what the books in it say is true.
Firstly, at the end of Genesis and then continuing into Exodus, the first two books of the Bible, there are descriptions of the beginning of the Israelite nation forming. From Genesis 17 onwards a man called Abraham is promised to father the nation of Israel. At the end of Genesis two generations after him his great grandchildren are said to have resided in Egypt though this was not their promised land. According to geologies in the Bible, Abraham should have lived around 2000 BC. Then his great grandchildren descendants around 18th century BC resided in Egypt for around 400 years. The area is called Goshen and is meant to be very good land for crops and farming. After that they left because of Moses leading them to the promised land. All this comes from the book of Exodus. Now is there any historical evidence for this, outside of the Bible? In 1990 and onwards the esteemed Manfred Bietak discovered an abandonment phase in todays Tell el-Dab'a (ancient Avaris). The area discovered was a palatial district with a Royal Precinct and an Asiatic (Foreigner) district, (Page 2 of https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/jaei/article/view/16915/16645) he found in the mid-15th century BC there was a clear abandonment phase during 18th dynasty. This was an important area that had military bases and may have been used to stage naval expeditions to the Mediterranean Sea. Why would you leave this area? The sediment below the abandonment phase is most probably Semitic and seems to be Semitic for over 300 years (https://www.academia.edu/37046281/M_Bietak_The_Many_Ethnicities_of_Avaris_Evidence_from_the_northern_borderland_of_Egypt_in_J_Budka_and_J_Auenm%C3%BCller_eds_From_Microcosm_to_Macrocosm_Individual_Households_and_Cities_in_Ancient_Egypt_and_Nubia_Leiden_2018_Sidestone_Press_73_92( says “Canaanite” which is where the Israelites came from in Bible before going to Eygpt). Now this is not concrete evidence to say the exodus is true, but It does bring some weight of trustworthiness to the book of Exodus. In addition, it brings evidence for the end of Genesis as it talks of Canaanites leaving their land long before going to Egypt and this is what we see in Ancient Avaris. Canaanites resided in Egypt for several centuries.
The God of the Israelites is called Yahweh and unlike many other ancient nations around them they only had one God. For example, the Egyptians had Horus, Seth, Isis and Anubis and so on. The earliest inscription for the name Yahweh is in the Soleb inscriptions. It was found in what would have been Ancient Egypt and dated to around the early 14th Century BC to the end of the 15th Century BC and another one in the 13Th century BC. There is no debate in what they say but some secular scholars hypothesize the ancient Edomites and Midianites worshipped Yahweh before the Israelites. However, there is no historical evidence for those nations worshipping Yahweh. There is some evidence of certain people from those nations but not the whole nation. People worshipping Yahweh from other lands during the Exodus would not be a problem for the Bible. It says in Exodus Moses Father in law, Jethro, was a Midianite who helped Moses figure out the Judicial structure of Israel. Yet there is plenty of evidence to show the Israelites as a nation worshipped Yahweh. For example, the Moabite stone shows the Israelite nation worshipping Yahweh. The Soleb inscription talks about a people saying the “Nomads of Yahweh”. The people are wandering around and do not have a city to identify them, so their God is used to do this. After the Exodus of the Israelites, the Israelites wondered the desert for 40 years before starting to conquer the cities of Canaan. This would count for Nomads as they did not have a land and were wondering around. How else to define them other than by the God they worship and identify with. https://escholarship.org/uc/item/07x6659z
In the book of Joshua, it talks of the conquering of many cities such as Hazor. If this were to happen the cities would likely tell their allies they were being attacked and request help. Well the Amarna Letters are Clay tablets, mostly from kings in Canaan to Egypt that they needed help as they were being attacked. These kings were subjected to Egypt. They date to the mid-14th century BC. This is quite inline with the Bible’s account. They mention the “Habiru” who were invading Canaan at the time and Habiru is very similar in sounding to Hebrew. Many scholars indicate this could be the Hebrew people. The Bible also accurately describes the conditions of the area at this time period having many city states in Canaan (https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1280&context=jats).
Finally, for this period I would like to introduce the Berlin pedestal. This is an artefact dated to mid-14th Century. It is an Egyptian name ring that lists 3 places, Ashkelon, Canaan, Israel. The ring for Israel is only around 2/3rds complete as part has broken away, however in 2001 Manfred Görg published that it should be Israel from what the rest of the symbols could be. This gives an inscription of the nation of Israel very early. This would indicate that it was not likely at all that Israel formed later in time as there is evidence to the contrary. These pieces of evidence are by no means exhaustive of an Early Israel formation date, in line with the Bible. Yet I have other periods to cover so will move on. https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/jaei/article/view/83/87
Next, I would like to tackle the next few books of the Bible. Those being Joshua, Judges and the Samuel 1-2. I have already touched upon some evidence to suggest the Biblical account is not completely made up with the structure of the Canaanite political structure being made of city states. Now I will be looking at Joshua 11. It talks of Israel’s northern conquest of Canaan against the Jobin king of Hazor. In the chapter Israel prevails over Hazor who led a coalition of kings against Israel and burns the city of Hazor. Now is there any evidence for a City called Hazor in that time and that it was burn around the early 14th Century -late 15th Century BC. Well there are some Egyptian Execration texts, which name enemies of Egypt, that mention Hazor in the 18th century BC (https://www.academia.edu/25340113/Do_the_Execration_Texts_Reflect_an_Accurate_Picture_of_the_Contemporary_Settlement_Map_of_Palestine ) Page 13. Moreover, the Mari archives mention Hazor in the 18th Century BC as an actual place and shipments of trade to “Ibni-Addad king of Hazor”. This is Accadian but in West Semitic form it reads “Yabni-Haddad”. Jabin and Yabni are the same name, just one is shortened. (https://search.proquest.com/openview/688f4758a1fb7f3a55e7c4aaef134a3e/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=46246). In the Amarna Letters which I have already discussed it also talks of Hazor. Unlike many other communications in the Letters the king of Hazor does not grovel to the Pharaoh but mentions himself being a King. This aligns with Joshua as it describes Hazor’s king leading the collation against Israel suggesting he is the most powerful in that part of Canaan. Letters 227 and 228 refer to him as a king. There is also an ancient Babylonian tablet that mention Jabin and was found at Hazor in 18th century BC. So, what from these two conclusions can be surmised? Either Jabin was a title like Pharaoh or it was a name used many times such as Rameses. This all agrees with the Biblical account as it mentions Jabin twice, once in Joshua then in Judges. Judges being over 100 Years after Joshua. Joshua 11: 1 and Judges 5:6-11. The name being used for long periods of time in and outside the Bible is interesting. https://www.baslibrary.org/biblical-archaeology-review/20/5/14. Two destruction have been found at Hazor. On in the late bronze age so 1550-1400 BC and another in 13th century BC. https://www.jstor.org/stable/25609263?seq=1. Amnon Ben-Tor who leads digs even says this again in the Israel exploration journal 51 in 2001 page 238. There is evidence for temples being destroyed which if it were the Israelites makes sense, other religious temples were seen and unholy and would be destroyed. This does point towards this account be possibly historically accurate. Now there is a theory among secular scholars that Israel had a much later exodus date in the 13th century BC. But if that is true, Israel as a nation should only be mentioned after this time. Yet there is evidence of their God Yahweh which is written about over 6000 time in the Bible. And there is not enough time for an exodus and conquering on Canaan if the exodus is a later date. This is shown decisively with the Merneptah Stele. It is an Egyptian inscription mentioning Israel as a nation and dates to 1208 BC which means there is not enough time in those years of less than 100 years to have late exodus and the nation being established after conquering much of Canaan. This is all before 40 years wandering in the desert.
One key part of the books of Samuel is King David. In the 19th century and early 20th century secular scholars scoffed that he was historical but rather a myth like England’s king Arthur. Especially the fact that he had an empire and a dynasty that was considerable for its time. However, in 1993 the Tel Dan Stele was found. It is a victory Stele about most likely King Hazael defeating the king of Israel and his ally who is of the “house of Dave”. This is dated to around 9 century BC. This is historical confirmation that King David was indeed real, and he left a lineage. This is a largely undisputed fact that it is of the House of David. The Bible describes David’s Dynasty in it books Samuel 2 and kings 1-2 and Chronicles 1-2. This also reinforces the fact at the 9th century BC Israel indeed was a nation that its enemies had wars with. Furthermore, the Moabite stone also references David while recording the Events of 2nd Kings Chapter 3. It has been dated to around 840 BC and mentions the phrase the house of David. The Moabite stone has many alignments to the Bible. They both talk of the Moab’s God Chemosh, the tribe of Gad from Israel and the Israelite king Omri. If the Jews wrote the books of the Torah centuries after the events happened how could they know of the Centuries old Moabite god Chemosh? It is not logical to assume. https://brill.com/view/journals/vt/52/4/article-p483_3.xml . https://www.jstor.org/stable/27926300?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/1357179?seq=1
The matrix of evidence really points to the Bible not being some mythical tale, that has no basis but an account that is corroborated with non-Biblical texts. If the exodus was a late date in the 13th century or after it can not fit with other timelines of artefacts. It would mean in less than 350 years Israel left Egypt and wondered for 40 some years, then started slowly taking over Canaan. After that have judges and prophets protecting Israel. After this they would get the kings of which there were many and until you get to King Ahab. In the early 9th Century BC. There isn’t enough time if you believe in the dates of the Bible.
Now I will be going into the Kings of Israel. A key piece of historical evidence for there really being kings of Israel are the Assyrian inscriptions. The Assyrians named each year after a person calling them the Limmu. They are absolute dates and even have a solar eclipse mentioned in the year 763BC. This allows Biblical scholars to give absolute dates to the Kings of Israel. This helps in dating artefacts such as the Kurkh Monolith of Shalmaneser the 3rd who mentions King Ahab who fought against him in 853 BC. https://www.jstor.org/stable/27925486?seq=1 Then there is the Black Obelisk showing King Jehu giving tribute to Shalmaneser in 841 BC. https://www.jstor.org/stable/42613886?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=Black%20obelisk%20king%20jehu&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DBlack%2Bobelisk%2Bking%2Bjehu&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A9bfe9ec30049e46ae79c452df027d1d8&seq=1 . These show that these books in the Bible are not completely made up and have some historical accuracy at the least. There are many other examples of historical evidence of other kings of the Bible, but I can focus on that in its own separate post.
After the Kings of Israel, the empires of the Persia and Babylon in the Bible are said to have taken over Israel and Judah the two nations of the Jewish people. Then In the reign of Cyrus the Great he sets the Israelites free to rebuild their temple and walls at Jerusalem. This occurs in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. Many older secular scholars did not believe that any king would allows their slaves to go free as it did not make any sense. Why would you let your labour go? Well the Cyrus Cylinder which has been dated to 539BC depicts just that. It is a declaration that the exiles to go back to their settlements and rebuild their sanctuaries. This clearly aligns with what occurred in the Bible. There are also the Babylonian chronicles, which mention the sacking of Jerusalem by king Nebuchadnezzar and dates it to 597 BC. These tablets recount the History of Babylon. This is what is said in the Bible in the book of Daniel. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3268761?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=Cyrus+cylinder&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DCyrus%2Bcylinder%26filter%3D&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A43cce9af3298485f1830bcb23acd07de&seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_1896-0409-51
Now the book of Daniel has had secular skepticism because it is quite a prophetic book. For a Biblical timeline he would have written early to mid-6th century BC. Some disagree, arguing that he wrote in the 2nd century BC, though there is evidence to suggest he was a real person writing in 6th century BC. Jerimiah 39: 3 mentions Nebo Sarsekim who was the chief eunuch. The Nebo Sarsekim tablet writes that the pottery belonged to a man with the same name. It is dated to 595 BC. Jerimiah was said to have lived in a similar time period as Daniel. Now if these books were written 400 years later then how would Daniel or Jerimiah know someone of the court of King Nebuchadnezzar II who lived in the 6th century BC. There was no internet and information was sparsely passed down, compared to the post printing press era. So, it is nearly impossible that his name was kept in Jewish records unless written at the time. Moreover, this book was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. If you look at the Aramaic used and Aramaic from the 5th century BC it is very similar. Here is a marriage certificate from 449 BC from a Jewish colony in Egypt https://isaw.nyu.edu/exhibitions/wgre/highlights/marriage-document-from-ananiah-to-meshullam-aramaic for an example. Language changes over time. The Aramaic of the 2nd century would be different than the Aramaic from a few hundred years before. Another problem with Daniel in the 2nd century BC is the dead sea scrolls. Part of Daniel’s book which is in some of the earlier dead sea scrolls date to 150 BC. This is a couple of decades at most from when secular skeptics say Daniel was written. This would mean that the book was written, and then became widespread and popular in a mere couple decades. This is a very serious reach which is not logical. https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1541&context=jats. Lastly, in Daniel chapter 5 it talks of the King Belshazzar needing Daniel to interpret writing on a wall. Again, some secular scholars in the early 19th century did not believe that King Belshazzar was a real person, because for some time they could only find record of a man named Nabonidus as the king for this time period. It also is interesting in the chapter that Belshazzar says he will make anyone who is able to interpret the wall 3rd in command of the whole kingdom. Why would he say this if he is real and the king, why not second? Even ancient historians like Herodotus, Megasthenes, Berossus said that the last king of Babylon was Nabonidus. Well discoveries found that this chapter is telling the truth. For example, the Nabonidus Cylinder from Ur which says “Belshazzar, the eldest son—my offspring”, dated to around 550BC. Vindicating Belshazzar as a real person. More evidence is seen in the Nabonidus Chronicle which describes Nabonidus being generally living far away from Babylon and Belshazzar as crown prince. It is not unusual for a crown prince or someone high up governing the kingdom day to day to be called king. For example, King Herod in the new testament was not actually king in the Roman empire but was a leader for a certain region. If this were written centuries after the 6th century BC how would Daniel know Belshazzar was a real person, as even other ancient historians did not write of him? One last point to explore is the use of the name Nebuchadnezzar as father to Belshazzar. In the Bible when the word father is used, it does not always mean literal father but ancestor or someone occupying the same office. The prophet Elisha had Shaphat as a biological father but calls his mentor Elijah as “His father” in 2 Kings 2:12. Jesus was called the son of David even though he was only his descendent. So as Belshazzar succeeded Nebuchadnezzar to the throne it is possible, he was in the Bible called father.
https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1547&context=auss
Now there are many more pieces of evidence for the old testament being historically accurate, but I can make more writings on those at a later date. This is all good but how do we know the translations of the Bible over the millennium can be reliable. There are two prominent texts that I would like to explore. The Ketef Hinnom Scrolls and the Dead Sea scrolls. The Ketef Hinnom Scrolls reveal to be a very early piece of scripture. It was found in burial chambers and has the writings of Numbers 6: 24-26 which is the 4th book in the Bible. These date to the 7th century BC which is much earlier than some secular scholars claim the Torah was written. This would suggest that the writings occurred much earlier than the 7th century BC as they were only burial amulets. This also shows the accuracy of these verses being the same in todays Bible with something over 2600 years old. The dead sea scrolls are very important as they have basically every book in the Bible in scroll form and are dated from 3rd century BC onwards. There are 230 manuscripts that are completely biblical texts. For example, the great Isiah Scroll. Before this the earliest copy of the oldest complete Hebrew Torah was the Leningrad codex and dates to 1000 AD approximately. There is very little difference between these two writings showing over 1000 years of time not much has changed and the Biblical writings are reliable.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1647cmz?turn_away=true&Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=Ketef+Hinnom+Scroll&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DKetef%2BHinnom%2BScroll&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A0bdf526ea5d91d1c248b09fe4958ae33
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20787416?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=finding%20deadsea%20scrolls&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dfinding%2Bdeadsea%2Bscrolls%26filter%3D&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A8af891fbd8ba59f31db8755999728f25&seq=1
This last section will be focusing on the latter part of the Bible the New Testament. I have often heard people scoff that the central figure of the Bible, Jesus, was even real. It shows how little people know about him. His is one of the most documented ancient figures of his era, with similar historical evidence as Julius Caesar. There are multiple accounts of him being real from Christian sources, the Bible and its accounts from the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. There are Jewish historians such as Josephus and roman Historians such as Tacitus who all talk about Jesus being a real person. Josephus was a Jewish historian who was not a Christian and describes that Pilate condemned Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah to a cross to die. He writes in around the year 93 AD. His book is called antiquities of the Jews. Tacitus a roman senator, also not a Christian, and historian also write of a man called Jesus who was killed on the cross by the orders of Pilate. Written in 116 AD in his book Annals. In addition, Babylonian Talmud writes about Yeshu being hanged for practicing sorcery and apostasy, Yeshu is Jesus. Lucian of Samosata also a Greek wrote of Jesus in the second century. Writing that he was a man worshipped by Christians who was crucified.
There are also many pieces of evidence that corroborate the text in the new testament. In John chapter 9 Jesus heals a blind man in the pool of Siloam. This very pool has been found to be real in Jerusalem. Pottery dated it around the pool is from old testament to new testament times. In the book of Romans 16:23 mentions a man called Erastus who in the Bible is the city’s treasurer or city official for Corinth where Paul wrote Romans. There is the Erastus inscription found in 1929 which said Erastus in return for his aedileship he paved with his own money. It is dated to 1st century BC and likely the same. There is also the Pilate stone which says Pontus Pilate, the man allowing the romans to kill Jesus, was the prefect of Judea from 26 AD to 36 AD. This is the time period when Jesus was killed. Another figure that is prominent in the death of Jesus is high priest Caiaphas. Archaeologists have probably found his Ossuary with his bones inside. Jewish Historian Josephus says high priest Caiaphas full name is Joseph Caiaphas. The box had on it, Joseph son of Caiaphas and had a 60-year-old man’s bones in it. This is another person in the Bible seen to be most likely real. In the book of Acts 18:12 describes Gallio was proconsul of Achaia. In Delphi, Claudius the emperor at the time inscribed Junius Gallio as a friend and proconsul. It is dated to 52 AD which is when the Apostle Paul would have lived. All these show the new testament to not be a fairy-tale but texts with real people in it.
https://legacy.tyndalehouse.com/tynbul/Library/TynBull_1989B_40_08_Gill_ErastusTheAedile.pdf
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/peq.1994.126.1.32?journalCode=ypeq20
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/300013.pdf?refreqid=excelsior%3A9c11775a00371e0feab60357dfc9cd2b page 144
The resurrection of Jesus is one of the biggest parts of the Bible. It has some evidence at the very least that people of the time claimed that it was true. Firstly, if we look at the Gospels they describe Jesus being buried in a tomb that was just for him. This was after he was crucified and was not in a mass grave for criminals. There have been a couple concrete discoveries to prove people were indeed crucified along with the many writings. The heel bone of Yehohanan is a heel with a large nail driven in it by romans to crucify. The bone was found in a family tomb like what Jesus was buried in. This shows the possibility of the Bible’s account for Jesus having a dignified burial. Furthermore, the Nazareth Inscription heavily suggests that people at the time thought he had resurrected. This is because it describes a penalty of death for people who caught robbing bodies of family tombs and dated to the first half of the 1st century AD. Its language is directed towards the Jews and not the Gentiles according to Dr. Clyde Billington. Why do people care about taking bodies, normally it was the treasure with the bodies people would steal? This what happened to the Pharaohs. In the Bible it describes that the Jewish leaders made up the story the disciples stole Jesus’ body. It seems likely that there was talk at the time that his body was stolen. It is reasonable to indicate there is a link and possibly a strong one between this inscription and Jesus. Some people may also say that he never was actually killed. If you look at who was killing him it does not make sense. The Romans we thoroughly trained and did not want to lose their job or life. They would have made sure you died on the cross, 1000s of people died during the first century from crucifixion. Even driving a spear to your side to ensure it. After that Jesus’ body was guarded by Roman soldiers who would not have let anyone steal the body. Who can survive 3 days without water, that is the length of time Jesus was dead in the Bible before he arose? In John it talks of water and blood coming from the spear hole in Jesus, which is a medical phenomenon, what would have happened to someone after taking such a beating from the floggings and other torture. Fluid would build up around the heart and lungs and come out from a hole with blood at the same time. How could someone 2000 years ago know this if they did not see it?
The Disciples themselves imply some validity of the resurrection. Not just because in their writings or their eyewitnesses who claim to have seen Jesus but for what they did after. 10 of the original disciples, after definitely knowing if it was a lie or not that Jesus was resurrected as they would know if they made up the story, all were killed brutishly for their belief in the resurrection. Some were beheaded or impaled or crucified upside-down. Why would you live your life persecuted and killed for a lie you made up? There had been many other self-proclaimed Messiahs before and after Jesus but if they got killed every time their following would either diminish or find a new leader. This is not what happened to Jesus. Paul writes that 500 people other than the disciples saw and met a resurrected Jesus.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1461138?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=heel+bone+of+yehohanan&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dheel%2Bbone%2Bof%2Byehohanan&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Ac7a734f3bab60059d39f4e0540184402#metadata_info_tab_contents
About New Testament historical reliability to be the same as today I have seen a video that talks about it much better than I could. Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ksvhHEoMLM&ab_channel=RaviZachariasInternationalMinistries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9CC7qNZkOE&ab_channel=MrShazoolo
Finally, how does all this relate back to creation vs evolution. Well I have tried to layout a series of evidence for the Bible being historically accurate. You may disagree with a few, but I would be very hard pressed to believe everything I have said is false. With so much pointing towards this text being historically reliable it brings up the possibility that we could start believing it. Especially give some thought to the possibility of its very beginning being true. I am not writing this to tell you, you must believe every word of the Bible. Rather that people should take it more seriously than a complete fiction. I also know that for some of my evidence there are skeptics that deny links I have proposed which is their freedom. I would just ask the question is that 100% because that is what the facts are telling them or is their disbelief in God being real what drives them in a certain direction. To conclude this is not a direct argument saying evolution is incorrect but that the book from where Biblical creation comes from is worth looking at as more non-fiction than fiction. Meaning that creation does not come from a fairytale and should be looked at the very least with some possibility with the rest of the book being historically accurate.
Thanks for reading.
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2020.11.25 09:35 uwuGod This Stupid Double-Standard With Clothing

Dunno if anyone saw the "drama" (eugh) regarding Harry Styles, but he was on the cover of a Vogue magazine seen wearing a dress. Which subsequently made people outraged. Now, obviously most celebrity drama is already boring enough to not bother giving a shit about, but really?
This whole nonsense with men wearing "feminine' clothes is stupid, for a few main reasons:
  1. What's considered "feminine" at all is a matter of perspective. Throughout history, and even in the modern day throughout different cultures, what's considered normal for men and women to wear ranges wildly. Hell, at one point in America, it was considered manly to dress in pink, wear high-heeled boots, and grow your hair out.There is no objective measure of "manliness", it's an ethereal concept that can be perceived differently by anyone. Trying to quantify it is completely stupid.
  2. How does it make a man "weaker" in any sense? I see people say that a lot. That men are "weaker" for wearing women's clothing... but they never specify how. Are they physically weaker? Mentally? How does putting on a dress or skirt do that? Is it magic? The occult? Do they not understand it's just a piece of cloth? What, does it like... absorb the testosterone right out of their bodies or something?I think what people tend to mean by "weaker" is that they believe they're mentally weak to begin with, and were somehow coerced into wearing a dress by others (probably some perceived "LGBTQ agenda" horseshit). The reality is men can actually choose for themselves, and these people are just projecting their insecurities about how they could never wear one themselves.
  3. Women wear "masculine" clothes all the damn time, and we consider it normal - even empowering in a lot of cases. So why is there a double-standard? I mean, I know some men find tomboys weird and would rather date a woman in a skirt, but that's just preference. You hardly see men publicly voicing how gross women who wear "men's clothes" are. Whatever the hell that even means. Again, it's literally just fabric.
  4. What I find especially baffling is when it's women who insinuate that men in dresses are weak. Because this problem stems from sexism, that much should be obvious. Femininity and anything relating to women is still considered "weaker" by many people, and that's why it's somehow wrong for men to wear it.Why would a woman share that belief, unless they're complacent with sexism towards themselves? If they believed men and women were equal, wouldn't they be okay with men wearing women's clothes? Then again, typically when I see women who are against it, they tend to be the stereotypical Christian trophy wife, so maybe they just are complacent with sexism. Seems weird to me, but hey.
And, none of this really even matters in the end, does it? Because of the whole "double-standard" thing. It shouldn't even be a problem in the first place. I don't see how a man walking around in a skirt is going to lead to the collapse of society or "male culture" as many a Brad or Kyle have worded it.
Some women even go as far to say, "We're running out of manly men", as if the microscopic percentage of men wearing dresses in America significantly shrinks their dating pool by any margin. Even if those men didn't wear dresses, they probably wouldn't have the same conservative mindset and set of beliefs to ever "click" with these women anyways. Really, their options remain untouched.
And for God's sake, nobody is "forcing this on kids", this is the same garbage Boomer fear-mongering we've seen every generation. In the 1700's it was, "Women are showing their ankles in public! What will our little girls think if they see this? Oh the horror!" It may influence society as a whole, but it's still the individual's choice to follow the movement or not. Nobody is forcing little boys to wear skirts. At worse, it's merely presenting an option to adults who can already choose for themselves.
The most hilarious quips are when people say stuff like, "Well I don't mind men in dresses but you know they're going to be seen as weak or gay, right? Can't help it." Yes, Denice, that's the problem. The problem is that they're seen that way at all, and for no good reason.
I'm just imagining one of these people going back to like 750 BC in Rome and telling the muscle-bound gladiators who fought (to the death, mind you) in thigh-high boots and mini-skirts that they're somehow "not very manly" for the way they dress. What an absolute joke.
I just feel like you have to be a special kind of insecure to comment on what someone else is wearing. Unless they're dressed like a Halloween costume or running around naked, what the Hell does it matter what someone wears? Dresses look nice. There's certainly a lot of people (especially women) defending Harry over his outfit, so clearly there's also a "market" for it as well. I get finding it weird or it just not being "your thing", but going out of your way to be a judgmental prick about it comes off as incredibly pretentious, I think. And says a lot about what you value in a person most.
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2020.11.25 08:27 mirthrandirthegrey The Bible can be considered Historically accurate

Is the Bible at all credible as a historical Text?
In this Argument for creation I am going about it differently than most. The main reason some Christians believe in Yahweh creating the universe is it says so in the Bible (Genesis 1). If the Bible is completely inaccurate and had no evidence to validate itself then, the creation account at the beginning would be greatly diminished in its strength as an answer to the beginning of this universe. The reason for testing the veracity of the claim, the Bible being a credible historical text, is to at the very least create some dialogue to if creation by Yahweh is possible. If the Bible throughout its writings has been consistently historically accurate, it is reasonable to assume the creation account has some credibility. I will be going through the Bible to see if there is any evidence to believe what the books in it say is true.
Firstly, at the end of Genesis and then continuing into Exodus, the first two books of the Bible, there are descriptions of the beginning of the Israelite nation forming. From Genesis 17 onwards a man called Abraham is promised to father the nation of Israel. At the end of Genesis two generations after him his great grandchildren are said to have resided in Egypt though this was not their promised land. According to geologies in the Bible, Abraham should have lived around 2000 BC. Then his great grandchildren descendants around 18th century BC resided in Egypt for around 400 years. The area is called Goshen and is meant to be very good land for crops and farming. After that they left because of Moses leading them to the promised land. All this comes from the book of Exodus. Now is there any historical evidence for this, outside of the Bible? In 1990 and onwards the esteemed Manfred Bietak discovered an abandonment phase in todays Tell el-Dab'a (ancient Avaris). The area discovered was a palatial district with a Royal Precinct and an Asiatic (Foreigner) district, (Page 2 of https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/jaei/article/view/16915/16645) he found in the mid-15th century BC there was a clear abandonment phase during 18th dynasty. This was an important area that had military bases and may have been used to stage naval expeditions to the Mediterranean Sea. Why would you leave this area? The sediment below the abandonment phase is most probably Semitic and seems to be Semitic for over 300 years (https://www.academia.edu/37046281/M_Bietak_The_Many_Ethnicities_of_Avaris_Evidence_from_the_northern_borderland_of_Egypt_in_J_Budka_and_J_Auenm%C3%BCller_eds_From_Microcosm_to_Macrocosm_Individual_Households_and_Cities_in_Ancient_Egypt_and_Nubia_Leiden_2018_Sidestone_Press_73_92( says “Canaanite” which is where the Israelites came from in Bible before going to Eygpt). Now this is not concrete evidence to say the exodus is true, but It does bring some weight of trustworthiness to the book of Exodus. In addition, it brings evidence for the end of Genesis as it talks of Canaanites leaving their land long before going to Egypt and this is what we see in Ancient Avaris. Canaanites resided in Egypt for several centuries.
The God of the Israelites is called Yahweh and unlike many other ancient nations around them they only had one God. For example, the Egyptians had Horus, Seth, Isis and Anubis and so on. The earliest inscription for the name Yahweh is in the Soleb inscriptions. It was found in what would have been Ancient Egypt and dated to around the early 14th Century BC to the end of the 15th Century BC and another one in the 13Th century BC. There is no debate in what they say but some secular scholars hypothesize the ancient Edomites and Midianites worshipped Yahweh before the Israelites. However, there is no historical evidence for those nations worshipping Yahweh. There is some evidence of certain people from those nations but not the whole nation. People worshipping Yahweh from other lands during the Exodus would not be a problem for the Bible. It says in Exodus Moses Father in law, Jethro, was a Midianite who helped Moses figure out the Judicial structure of Israel. Yet there is plenty of evidence to show the Israelites as a nation worshipped Yahweh. For example, the Moabite stone shows the Israelite nation worshipping Yahweh. The Soleb inscription talks about a people saying the “Nomads of Yahweh”. The people are wandering around and do not have a city to identify them, so their God is used to do this. After the Exodus of the Israelites, the Israelites wondered the desert for 40 years before starting to conquer the cities of Canaan. This would count for Nomads as they did not have a land and were wondering around. How else to define them other than by the God they worship and identify with. https://escholarship.org/uc/item/07x6659z
In the book of Joshua, it talks of the conquering of many cities such as Hazor. If this were to happen the cities would likely tell their allies they were being attacked and request help. Well the Amarna Letters are Clay tablets, mostly from kings in Canaan to Egypt that they needed help as they were being attacked. These kings were subjected to Egypt. They date to the mid-14th century BC. This is quite inline with the Bible’s account. They mention the “Habiru” who were invading Canaan at the time and Habiru is very similar in sounding to Hebrew. Many scholars indicate this could be the Hebrew people. The Bible also accurately describes the conditions of the area at this time period having many city states in Canaan (https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1280&context=jats).
Finally, for this period I would like to introduce the Berlin pedestal. This is an artefact dated to mid-14th Century. It is an Egyptian name ring that lists 3 places, Ashkelon, Canaan, Israel. The ring for Israel is only around 2/3rds complete as part has broken away, however in 2001 Manfred Görg published that it should be Israel from what the rest of the symbols could be. This gives an inscription of the nation of Israel very early. This would indicate that it was not likely at all that Israel formed later in time as there is evidence to the contrary. These pieces of evidence are by no means exhaustive of an Early Israel formation date, in line with the Bible. Yet I have other periods to cover so will move on. https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/jaei/article/view/83/87
Next, I would like to tackle the next few books of the Bible. Those being Joshua, Judges and the Samuel 1-2. I have already touched upon some evidence to suggest the Biblical account is not completely made up with the structure of the Canaanite political structure being made of city states. Now I will be looking at Joshua 11. It talks of Israel’s northern conquest of Canaan against the Jobin king of Hazor. In the chapter Israel prevails over Hazor who led a coalition of kings against Israel and burns the city of Hazor. Now is there any evidence for a City called Hazor in that time and that it was burn around the early 14th Century -late 15th Century BC. Well there are some Egyptian Execration texts, which name enemies of Egypt, that mention Hazor in the 18th century BC (https://www.academia.edu/25340113/Do_the_Execration_Texts_Reflect_an_Accurate_Picture_of_the_Contemporary_Settlement_Map_of_Palestine ) Page 13. Moreover, the Mari archives mention Hazor in the 18th Century BC as an actual place and shipments of trade to “Ibni-Addad king of Hazor”. This is Accadian but in West Semitic form it reads “Yabni-Haddad”. Jabin and Yabni are the same name, just one is shortened. (https://search.proquest.com/openview/688f4758a1fb7f3a55e7c4aaef134a3e/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=46246). In the Amarna Letters which I have already discussed it also talks of Hazor. Unlike many other communications in the Letters the king of Hazor does not grovel to the Pharaoh but mentions himself being a King. This aligns with Joshua as it describes Hazor’s king leading the collation against Israel suggesting he is the most powerful in that part of Canaan. Letters 227 and 228 refer to him as a king. There is also an ancient Babylonian tablet that mention Jabin and was found at Hazor in 18th century BC. So, what from these two conclusions can be surmised? Either Jabin was a title like Pharaoh or it was a name used many times such as Rameses. This all agrees with the Biblical account as it mentions Jabin twice, once in Joshua then in Judges. Judges being over 100 Years after Joshua. Joshua 11: 1 and Judges 5:6-11. The name being used for long periods of time in and outside the Bible is interesting. https://www.baslibrary.org/biblical-archaeology-review/20/5/14. Two destruction have been found at Hazor. On in the late bronze age so 1550-1400 BC and another in 13th century BC. https://www.jstor.org/stable/25609263?seq=1. Amnon Ben-Tor who leads digs even says this again in the Israel exploration journal 51 in 2001 page 238. There is evidence for temples being destroyed which if it were the Israelites makes sense, other religious temples were seen and unholy and would be destroyed. This does point towards this account be possibly historically accurate. Now there is a theory among secular scholars that Israel had a much later exodus date in the 13th century BC. But if that is true, Israel as a nation should only be mentioned after this time. Yet there is evidence of their God Yahweh which is written about over 6000 time in the Bible. And there is not enough time for an exodus and conquering on Canaan if the exodus is a later date. This is shown decisively with the Merneptah Stele. It is an Egyptian inscription mentioning Israel as a nation and dates to 1208 BC which means there is not enough time in those years of less than 100 years to have late exodus and the nation being established after conquering much of Canaan. This is all before 40 years wandering in the desert.
One key part of the books of Samuel is King David. In the 19th century and early 20th century secular scholars scoffed that he was historical but rather a myth like England’s king Arthur. Especially the fact that he had an empire and a dynasty that was considerable for its time. However, in 1993 the Tel Dan Stele was found. It is a victory Stele about most likely King Hazael defeating the king of Israel and his ally who is of the “house of Dave”. This is dated to around 9 century BC. This is historical confirmation that King David was indeed real, and he left a lineage. This is a largely undisputed fact that it is of the House of David. The Bible describes David’s Dynasty in it books Samuel 2 and kings 1-2 and Chronicles 1-2. This also reinforces the fact at the 9th century BC Israel indeed was a nation that its enemies had wars with. Furthermore, the Moabite stone also references David while recording the Events of 2nd Kings Chapter 3. It has been dated to around 840 BC and mentions the phrase the house of David. The Moabite stone has many alignments to the Bible. They both talk of the Moab’s God Chemosh, the tribe of Gad from Israel and the Israelite king Omri. If the Jews wrote the books of the Torah centuries after the events happened how could they know of the Centuries old Moabite god Chemosh? It is not logical to assume. https://brill.com/view/journals/vt/52/4/article-p483_3.xml . https://www.jstor.org/stable/27926300?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/1357179?seq=1
The matrix of evidence really points to the Bible not being some mythical tale, that has no basis but an account that is corroborated with non-Biblical texts. If the exodus was a late date in the 13th century or after it can not fit with other timelines of artefacts. It would mean in less than 350 years Israel left Egypt and wondered for 40 some years, then started slowly taking over Canaan. After that have judges and prophets protecting Israel. After this they would get the kings of which there were many and until you get to King Ahab. In the early 9th Century BC. There isn’t enough time if you believe in the dates of the Bible.
Now I will be going into the Kings of Israel. A key piece of historical evidence for there really being kings of Israel are the Assyrian inscriptions. The Assyrians named each year after a person calling them the Limmu. They are absolute dates and even have a solar eclipse mentioned in the year 763BC. This allows Biblical scholars to give absolute dates to the Kings of Israel. This helps in dating artefacts such as the Kurkh Monolith of Shalmaneser the 3rd who mentions King Ahab who fought against him in 853 BC. https://www.jstor.org/stable/27925486?seq=1 Then there is the Black Obelisk showing King Jehu giving tribute to Shalmaneser in 841 BC. https://www.jstor.org/stable/42613886?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=Black%20obelisk%20king%20jehu&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DBlack%2Bobelisk%2Bking%2Bjehu&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A9bfe9ec30049e46ae79c452df027d1d8&seq=1 . These show that these books in the Bible are not completely made up and have some historical accuracy at the least. There are many other examples of historical evidence of other kings of the Bible, but I can focus on that in its own separate post.
After the Kings of Israel, the empires of the Persia and Babylon in the Bible are said to have taken over Israel and Judah the two nations of the Jewish people. Then In the reign of Cyrus the Great he sets the Israelites free to rebuild their temple and walls at Jerusalem. This occurs in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. Many older secular scholars did not believe that any king would allows their slaves to go free as it did not make any sense. Why would you let your labour go? Well the Cyrus Cylinder which has been dated to 539BC depicts just that. It is a declaration that the exiles to go back to their settlements and rebuild their sanctuaries. This clearly aligns with what occurred in the Bible. There are also the Babylonian chronicles, which mention the sacking of Jerusalem by king Nebuchadnezzar and dates it to 597 BC. These tablets recount the History of Babylon. This is what is said in the Bible in the book of Daniel. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3268761?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=Cyrus+cylinder&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DCyrus%2Bcylinder%26filter%3D&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A43cce9af3298485f1830bcb23acd07de&seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_1896-0409-51
Now the book of Daniel has had secular skepticism because it is quite a prophetic book. For a Biblical timeline he would have written early to mid-6th century BC. Some disagree, arguing that he wrote in the 2nd century BC, though there is evidence to suggest he was a real person writing in 6th century BC. Jerimiah 39: 3 mentions Nebo Sarsekim who was the chief eunuch. The Nebo Sarsekim tablet writes that the pottery belonged to a man with the same name. It is dated to 595 BC. Jerimiah was said to have lived in a similar time period as Daniel. Now if these books were written 400 years later then how would Daniel or Jerimiah know someone of the court of King Nebuchadnezzar II who lived in the 6th century BC. There was no internet and information was sparsely passed down, compared to the post printing press era. So, it is nearly impossible that his name was kept in Jewish records unless written at the time. Moreover, this book was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. If you look at the Aramaic used and Aramaic from the 5th century BC it is very similar. Here is a marriage certificate from 449 BC from a Jewish colony in Egypt https://isaw.nyu.edu/exhibitions/wgre/highlights/marriage-document-from-ananiah-to-meshullam-aramaic for an example. Language changes over time. The Aramaic of the 2nd century would be different than the Aramaic from a few hundred years before. Another problem with Daniel in the 2nd century BC is the dead sea scrolls. Part of Daniel’s book which is in some of the earlier dead sea scrolls date to 150 BC. This is a couple of decades at most from when secular skeptics say Daniel was written. This would mean that the book was written, and then became widespread and popular in a mere couple decades. This is a very serious reach which is not logical. https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1541&context=jats. Lastly, in Daniel chapter 5 it talks of the King Belshazzar needing Daniel to interpret writing on a wall. Again, some secular scholars in the early 19th century did not believe that King Belshazzar was a real person, because for some time they could only find record of a man named Nabonidus as the king for this time period. It also is interesting in the chapter that Belshazzar says he will make anyone who is able to interpret the wall 3rd in command of the whole kingdom. Why would he say this if he is real and the king, why not second? Even ancient historians like Herodotus, Megasthenes, Berossus said that the last king of Babylon was Nabonidus. Well discoveries found that this chapter is telling the truth. For example, the Nabonidus Cylinder from Ur which says “Belshazzar, the eldest son—my offspring”, dated to around 550BC. Vindicating Belshazzar as a real person. More evidence is seen in the Nabonidus Chronicle which describes Nabonidus being generally living far away from Babylon and Belshazzar as crown prince. It is not unusual for a crown prince or someone high up governing the kingdom day to day to be called king. For example, King Herod in the new testament was not actually king in the Roman empire but was a leader for a certain region. If this were written centuries after the 6th century BC how would Daniel know Belshazzar was a real person, as even other ancient historians did not write of him? One last point to explore is the use of the name Nebuchadnezzar as father to Belshazzar. In the Bible when the word father is used, it does not always mean literal father but ancestor or someone occupying the same office. The prophet Elisha had Shaphat as a biological father but calls his mentor Elijah as “His father” in 2 Kings 2:12. Jesus was called the son of David even though he was only his descendent. So as Belshazzar succeeded Nebuchadnezzar to the throne it is possible, he was in the Bible called father.
https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1547&context=auss
Now there are many more pieces of evidence for the old testament being historically accurate, but I can make more writings on those at a later date. This is all good but how do we know the translations of the Bible over the millennium can be reliable. There are two prominent texts that I would like to explore. The Ketef Hinnom Scrolls and the Dead Sea scrolls. The Ketef Hinnom Scrolls reveal to be a very early piece of scripture. It was found in burial chambers and has the writings of Numbers 6: 24-26 which is the 4th book in the Bible. These date to the 7th century BC which is much earlier than some secular scholars claim the Torah was written. This would suggest that the writings occurred much earlier than the 7th century BC as they were only burial amulets. This also shows the accuracy of these verses being the same in todays Bible with something over 2600 years old. The dead sea scrolls are very important as they have basically every book in the Bible in scroll form and are dated from 3rd century BC onwards. There are 230 manuscripts that are completely biblical texts. For example, the great Isiah Scroll. Before this the earliest copy of the oldest complete Hebrew Torah was the Leningrad codex and dates to 1000 AD approximately. There is very little difference between these two writings showing over 1000 years of time not much has changed and the Biblical writings are reliable.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1647cmz?turn_away=true&Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=Ketef+Hinnom+Scroll&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DKetef%2BHinnom%2BScroll&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A0bdf526ea5d91d1c248b09fe4958ae33
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20787416?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=finding%20deadsea%20scrolls&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dfinding%2Bdeadsea%2Bscrolls%26filter%3D&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A8af891fbd8ba59f31db8755999728f25&seq=1
This last section will be focusing on the latter part of the Bible the New Testament. I have often heard people scoff that the central figure of the Bible, Jesus, was even real. It shows how little people know about him. His is one of the most documented ancient figures of his era, with similar historical evidence as Julius Caesar. There are multiple accounts of him being real from Christian sources, the Bible and its accounts from the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. There are Jewish historians such as Josephus and roman Historians such as Tacitus who all talk about Jesus being a real person. Josephus was a Jewish historian who was not a Christian and describes that Pilate condemned Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah to a cross to die. He writes in around the year 93 AD. His book is called antiquities of the Jews. Tacitus a roman senator, also not a Christian, and historian also write of a man called Jesus who was killed on the cross by the orders of Pilate. Written in 116 AD in his book Annals. In addition, Babylonian Talmud writes about Yeshu being hanged for practicing sorcery and apostasy, Yeshu is Jesus. Lucian of Samosata also a Greek wrote of Jesus in the second century. Writing that he was a man worshipped by Christians who was crucified.
There are also many pieces of evidence that corroborate the text in the new testament. In John chapter 9 Jesus heals a blind man in the pool of Siloam. This very pool has been found to be real in Jerusalem. Pottery dated it around the pool is from old testament to new testament times. In the book of Romans 16:23 mentions a man called Erastus who in the Bible is the city’s treasurer or city official for Corinth where Paul wrote Romans. There is the Erastus inscription found in 1929 which said Erastus in return for his aedileship he paved with his own money. It is dated to 1st century BC and likely the same. There is also the Pilate stone which says Pontus Pilate, the man allowing the romans to kill Jesus, was the prefect of Judea from 26 AD to 36 AD. This is the time period when Jesus was killed. Another figure that is prominent in the death of Jesus is high priest Caiaphas. Archaeologists have probably found his Ossuary with his bones inside. Jewish Historian Josephus says high priest Caiaphas full name is Joseph Caiaphas. The box had on it, Joseph son of Caiaphas and had a 60-year-old man’s bones in it. This is another person in the Bible seen to be most likely real. In the book of Acts 18:12 describes Gallio was proconsul of Achaia. In Delphi, Claudius the emperor at the time inscribed Junius Gallio as a friend and proconsul. It is dated to 52 AD which is when the Apostle Paul would have lived. All these show the new testament to not be a fairy-tale but texts with real people in it.
https://legacy.tyndalehouse.com/tynbul/Library/TynBull_1989B_40_08_Gill_ErastusTheAedile.pdf
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/peq.1994.126.1.32?journalCode=ypeq20
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/300013.pdf?refreqid=excelsior%3A9c11775a00371e0feab60357dfc9cd2b page 144
The resurrection of Jesus is one of the biggest parts of the Bible. It has some evidence at the very least that people of the time claimed that it was true. Firstly, if we look at the Gospels they describe Jesus being buried in a tomb that was just for him. This was after he was crucified and was not in a mass grave for criminals. There have been a couple concrete discoveries to prove people were indeed crucified along with the many writings. The heel bone of Yehohanan is a heel with a large nail driven in it by romans to crucify. The bone was found in a family tomb like what Jesus was buried in. This shows the possibility of the Bible’s account for Jesus having a dignified burial. Furthermore, the Nazareth Inscription heavily suggests that people at the time thought he had resurrected. This is because it describes a penalty of death for people who caught robbing bodies of family tombs and dated to the first half of the 1st century AD. Its language is directed towards the Jews and not the Gentiles according to Dr. Clyde Billington. Why do people care about taking bodies, normally it was the treasure with the bodies people would steal? This what happened to the Pharaohs. In the Bible it describes that the Jewish leaders made up the story the disciples stole Jesus’ body. It seems likely that there was talk at the time that his body was stolen. It is reasonable to indicate there is a link and possibly a strong one between this inscription and Jesus. Some people may also say that he never was actually killed. If you look at who was killing him it does not make sense. The Romans we thoroughly trained and did not want to lose their job or life. They would have made sure you died on the cross, 1000s of people died during the first century from crucifixion. Even driving a spear to your side to ensure it. After that Jesus’ body was guarded by Roman soldiers who would not have let anyone steal the body. Who can survive 3 days without water, that is the length of time Jesus was dead in the Bible before he arose? In John it talks of water and blood coming from the spear hole in Jesus, which is a medical phenomenon, what would have happened to someone after taking such a beating from the floggings and other torture. Fluid would build up around the heart and lungs and come out from a hole with blood at the same time. How could someone 2000 years ago know this if they did not see it?
The Disciples themselves imply some validity of the resurrection. Not just because in their writings or their eyewitnesses who claim to have seen Jesus but for what they did after. 10 of the original disciples, after definitely knowing if it was a lie or not that Jesus was resurrected as they would know if they made up the story, all were killed brutishly for their belief in the resurrection. Some were beheaded or impaled or crucified upside-down. Why would you live your life persecuted and killed for a lie you made up? There had been many other self-proclaimed Messiahs before and after Jesus but if they got killed every time their following would either diminish or find a new leader. This is not what happened to Jesus. Paul writes that 500 people other than the disciples saw and met a resurrected Jesus.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1461138?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=heel+bone+of+yehohanan&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dheel%2Bbone%2Bof%2Byehohanan&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Ac7a734f3bab60059d39f4e0540184402#metadata_info_tab_contents
About New Testament historical reliability to be the same as today I have seen a video that talks about it much better than I could. Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ksvhHEoMLM&ab_channel=RaviZachariasInternationalMinistries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9CC7qNZkOE&ab_channel=MrShazoolo
Finally, how does all this relate back to creation vs evolution. Well I have tried to layout a series of evidence for the Bible being historically accurate. You may disagree with a few, but I would be very hard pressed to believe everything I have said is false. With so much pointing towards this text being historically reliable it brings up the possibility that we could start believing it. Especially give some thought to the possibility of its very beginning being true. I am not writing this to tell you, you must believe every word of the Bible. Rather that people should take it more seriously than a complete fiction. I also know that for some of my evidence there are skeptics that deny links I have proposed which is their freedom. I would just ask the question is that 100% because that is what the facts are telling them or is their disbelief in God being real what drives them in a certain direction. To conclude this is not a direct argument saying evolution is incorrect but that the book from where Biblical creation comes from is worth looking at as more non-fiction than fiction. Meaning that creation does not come from a fairytale and should be looked at the very least with some possibility with the rest of the book being historically accurate.
Thanks for reading.
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2020.11.25 06:38 mirthrandirthegrey Is the Bible historically accurate?

Is the Bible at all credible as a historical Text?
In this Argument for creation I am going about it differently than most. The main reason some Christians believe in Yahweh creating the universe is it says so in the Bible (Genesis 1). If the Bible is completely inaccurate and had no evidence to validate itself then, the creation account at the beginning would be greatly diminished in its strength as an answer to the beginning of this universe. The reason for testing the veracity of the claim, the Bible being a credible historical text, is to at the very least create some dialogue to if creation by Yahweh is possible. If the Bible throughout its writings has been consistently historically accurate, it is reasonable to assume the creation account has some credibility. I will be going through the Bible to see if there is any evidence to believe what the books in it say is true.
Firstly, at the end of Genesis and then continuing into Exodus, the first two books of the Bible, there are descriptions of the beginning of the Israelite nation forming. From Genesis 17 onwards a man called Abraham is promised to father the nation of Israel. At the end of Genesis two generations after him his great grandchildren are said to have resided in Egypt though this was not their promised land. According to geologies in the Bible, Abraham should have lived around 2000 BC. Then his great grandchildren descendants around 18th century BC resided in Egypt for around 400 years. The area is called Goshen and is meant to be very good land for crops and farming. After that they left because of Moses leading them to the promised land. All this comes from the book of Exodus. Now is there any historical evidence for this, outside of the Bible? In 1990 and onwards the esteemed Manfred Bietak discovered an abandonment phase in todays Tell el-Dab'a (ancient Avaris). The area discovered was a palatial district with a Royal Precinct and an Asiatic (Foreigner) district, (Page 2 of https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/jaei/article/view/16915/16645) he found in the mid-15th century BC there was a clear abandonment phase during 18th dynasty. This was an important area that had military bases and may have been used to stage naval expeditions to the Mediterranean Sea. Why would you leave this area? The sediment below the abandonment phase is most probably Semitic and seems to be Semitic for over 300 years (https://www.academia.edu/37046281/M_Bietak_The_Many_Ethnicities_of_Avaris_Evidence_from_the_northern_borderland_of_Egypt_in_J_Budka_and_J_Auenm%C3%BCller_eds_From_Microcosm_to_Macrocosm_Individual_Households_and_Cities_in_Ancient_Egypt_and_Nubia_Leiden_2018_Sidestone_Press_73_92( says “Canaanite” which is where the Israelites came from in Bible before going to Eygpt). Now this is not concrete evidence to say the exodus is true, but It does bring some weight of trustworthiness to the book of Exodus. In addition, it brings evidence for the end of Genesis as it talks of Canaanites leaving their land long before going to Egypt and this is what we see in Ancient Avaris. Canaanites resided in Egypt for several centuries.
The God of the Israelites is called Yahweh and unlike many other ancient nations around them they only had one God. For example, the Egyptians had Horus, Seth, Isis and Anubis and so on. The earliest inscription for the name Yahweh is in the Soleb inscriptions. It was found in what would have been Ancient Egypt and dated to around the early 14th Century BC to the end of the 15th Century BC and another one in the 13Th century BC. There is no debate in what they say but some secular scholars hypothesize the ancient Edomites and Midianites worshipped Yahweh before the Israelites. However, there is no historical evidence for those nations worshipping Yahweh. There is some evidence of certain people from those nations but not the whole nation. People worshipping Yahweh from other lands during the Exodus would not be a problem for the Bible. It says in Exodus Moses Father in law, Jethro, was a Midianite who helped Moses figure out the Judicial structure of Israel. Yet there is plenty of evidence to show the Israelites as a nation worshipped Yahweh. For example, the Moabite stone shows the Israelite nation worshipping Yahweh. The Soleb inscription talks about a people saying the “Nomads of Yahweh”. The people are wandering around and do not have a city to identify them, so their God is used to do this. After the Exodus of the Israelites, the Israelites wondered the desert for 40 years before starting to conquer the cities of Canaan. This would count for Nomads as they did not have a land and were wondering around. How else to define them other than by the God they worship and identify with. https://escholarship.org/uc/item/07x6659z
In the book of Joshua, it talks of the conquering of many cities such as Hazor. If this were to happen the cities would likely tell their allies they were being attacked and request help. Well the Amarna Letters are Clay tablets, mostly from kings in Canaan to Egypt that they needed help as they were being attacked. These kings were subjected to Egypt. They date to the mid-14th century BC. This is quite inline with the Bible’s account. They mention the “Habiru” who were invading Canaan at the time and Habiru is very similar in sounding to Hebrew. Many scholars indicate this could be the Hebrew people. The Bible also accurately describes the conditions of the area at this time period having many city states in Canaan (https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1280&context=jats).
Finally, for this period I would like to introduce the Berlin pedestal. This is an artefact dated to mid-14th Century. It is an Egyptian name ring that lists 3 places, Ashkelon, Canaan, Israel. The ring for Israel is only around 2/3rds complete as part has broken away, however in 2001 Manfred Görg published that it should be Israel from what the rest of the symbols could be. This gives an inscription of the nation of Israel very early. This would indicate that it was not likely at all that Israel formed later in time as there is evidence to the contrary. These pieces of evidence are by no means exhaustive of an Early Israel formation date, in line with the Bible. Yet I have other periods to cover so will move on. https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/jaei/article/view/83/87
Next, I would like to tackle the next few books of the Bible. Those being Joshua, Judges and the Samuel 1-2. I have already touched upon some evidence to suggest the Biblical account is not completely made up with the structure of the Canaanite political structure being made of city states. Now I will be looking at Joshua 11. It talks of Israel’s northern conquest of Canaan against the Jobin king of Hazor. In the chapter Israel prevails over Hazor who led a coalition of kings against Israel and burns the city of Hazor. Now is there any evidence for a City called Hazor in that time and that it was burn around the early 14th Century -late 15th Century BC. Well there are some Egyptian Execration texts, which name enemies of Egypt, that mention Hazor in the 18th century BC (https://www.academia.edu/25340113/Do_the_Execration_Texts_Reflect_an_Accurate_Picture_of_the_Contemporary_Settlement_Map_of_Palestine ) Page 13. Moreover, the Mari archives mention Hazor in the 18th Century BC as an actual place and shipments of trade to “Ibni-Addad king of Hazor”. This is Accadian but in West Semitic form it reads “Yabni-Haddad”. Jabin and Yabni are the same name, just one is shortened. (https://search.proquest.com/openview/688f4758a1fb7f3a55e7c4aaef134a3e/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=46246). In the Amarna Letters which I have already discussed it also talks of Hazor. Unlike many other communications in the Letters the king of Hazor does not grovel to the Pharaoh but mentions himself being a King. This aligns with Joshua as it describes Hazor’s king leading the collation against Israel suggesting he is the most powerful in that part of Canaan. Letters 227 and 228 refer to him as a king. There is also an ancient Babylonian tablet that mention Jabin and was found at Hazor in 18th century BC. So, what from these two conclusions can be surmised? Either Jabin was a title like Pharaoh or it was a name used many times such as Rameses. This all agrees with the Biblical account as it mentions Jabin twice, once in Joshua then in Judges. Judges being over 100 Years after Joshua. Joshua 11: 1 and Judges 5:6-11. The name being used for long periods of time in and outside the Bible is interesting. https://www.baslibrary.org/biblical-archaeology-review/20/5/14. Two destruction have been found at Hazor. On in the late bronze age so 1550-1400 BC and another in 13th century BC. https://www.jstor.org/stable/25609263?seq=1. Amnon Ben-Tor who leads digs even says this again in the Israel exploration journal 51 in 2001 page 238. There is evidence for temples being destroyed which if it were the Israelites makes sense, other religious temples were seen and unholy and would be destroyed. This does point towards this account be possibly historically accurate. Now there is a theory among secular scholars that Israel had a much later exodus date in the 13th century BC. But if that is true, Israel as a nation should only be mentioned after this time. Yet there is evidence of their God Yahweh which is written about over 6000 time in the Bible. And there is not enough time for an exodus and conquering on Canaan if the exodus is a later date. This is shown decisively with the Merneptah Stele. It is an Egyptian inscription mentioning Israel as a nation and dates to 1208 BC which means there is not enough time in those years of less than 100 years to have late exodus and the nation being established after conquering much of Canaan. This is all before 40 years wandering in the desert.
One key part of the books of Samuel is King David. In the 19th century and early 20th century secular scholars scoffed that he was historical but rather a myth like England’s king Arthur. Especially the fact that he had an empire and a dynasty that was considerable for its time. However, in 1993 the Tel Dan Stele was found. It is a victory Stele about most likely King Hazael defeating the king of Israel and his ally who is of the “house of Dave”. This is dated to around 9 century BC. This is historical confirmation that King David was indeed real, and he left a lineage. This is a largely undisputed fact that it is of the House of David. The Bible describes David’s Dynasty in it books Samuel 2 and kings 1-2 and Chronicles 1-2. This also reinforces the fact at the 9th century BC Israel indeed was a nation that its enemies had wars with. Furthermore, the Moabite stone also references David while recording the Events of 2nd Kings Chapter 3. It has been dated to around 840 BC and mentions the phrase the house of David. The Moabite stone has many alignments to the Bible. They both talk of the Moab’s God Chemosh, the tribe of Gad from Israel and the Israelite king Omri. If the Jews wrote the books of the Torah centuries after the events happened how could they know of the Centuries old Moabite god Chemosh? It is not logical to assume. https://brill.com/view/journals/vt/52/4/article-p483_3.xml . https://www.jstor.org/stable/27926300?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/1357179?seq=1
The matrix of evidence really points to the Bible not being some mythical tale, that has no basis but an account that is corroborated with non-Biblical texts. If the exodus was a late date in the 13th century or after it can not fit with other timelines of artefacts. It would mean in less than 350 years Israel left Egypt and wondered for 40 some years, then started slowly taking over Canaan. After that have judges and prophets protecting Israel. After this they would get the kings of which there were many and until you get to King Ahab. In the early 9th Century BC. There isn’t enough time if you believe in the dates of the Bible.
Now I will be going into the Kings of Israel. A key piece of historical evidence for there really being kings of Israel are the Assyrian inscriptions. The Assyrians named each year after a person calling them the Limmu. They are absolute dates and even have a solar eclipse mentioned in the year 763BC. This allows Biblical scholars to give absolute dates to the Kings of Israel. This helps in dating artefacts such as the Kurkh Monolith of Shalmaneser the 3rd who mentions King Ahab who fought against him in 853 BC. https://www.jstor.org/stable/27925486?seq=1 Then there is the Black Obelisk showing King Jehu giving tribute to Shalmaneser in 841 BC. https://www.jstor.org/stable/42613886?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=Black%20obelisk%20king%20jehu&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DBlack%2Bobelisk%2Bking%2Bjehu&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A9bfe9ec30049e46ae79c452df027d1d8&seq=1 . These show that these books in the Bible are not completely made up and have some historical accuracy at the least. There are many other examples of historical evidence of other kings of the Bible, but I can focus on that in its own separate post.
After the Kings of Israel, the empires of the Persia and Babylon in the Bible are said to have taken over Israel and Judah the two nations of the Jewish people. Then In the reign of Cyrus the Great he sets the Israelites free to rebuild their temple and walls at Jerusalem. This occurs in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. Many older secular scholars did not believe that any king would allows their slaves to go free as it did not make any sense. Why would you let your labour go? Well the Cyrus Cylinder which has been dated to 539BC depicts just that. It is a declaration that the exiles to go back to their settlements and rebuild their sanctuaries. This clearly aligns with what occurred in the Bible. There are also the Babylonian chronicles, which mention the sacking of Jerusalem by king Nebuchadnezzar and dates it to 597 BC. These tablets recount the History of Babylon. This is what is said in the Bible in the book of Daniel. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3268761?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=Cyrus+cylinder&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DCyrus%2Bcylinder%26filter%3D&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A43cce9af3298485f1830bcb23acd07de&seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents. https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_1896-0409-51
Now the book of Daniel has had secular skepticism because it is quite a prophetic book. For a Biblical timeline he would have written early to mid-6th century BC. Some disagree, arguing that he wrote in the 2nd century BC, though there is evidence to suggest he was a real person writing in 6th century BC. Jerimiah 39: 3 mentions Nebo Sarsekim who was the chief eunuch. The Nebo Sarsekim tablet writes that the pottery belonged to a man with the same name. It is dated to 595 BC. Jerimiah was said to have lived in a similar time period as Daniel. Now if these books were written 400 years later then how would Daniel or Jerimiah know someone of the court of King Nebuchadnezzar II who lived in the 6th century BC. There was no internet and information was sparsely passed down, compared to the post printing press era. So, it is nearly impossible that his name was kept in Jewish records unless written at the time. Moreover, this book was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. If you look at the Aramaic used and Aramaic from the 5th century BC it is very similar. Here is a marriage certificate from 449 BC from a Jewish colony in Egypt https://isaw.nyu.edu/exhibitions/wgre/highlights/marriage-document-from-ananiah-to-meshullam-aramaic for an example. Language changes over time. The Aramaic of the 2nd century would be different than the Aramaic from a few hundred years before. Another problem with Daniel in the 2nd century BC is the dead sea scrolls. Part of Daniel’s book which is in some of the earlier dead sea scrolls date to 150 BC. This is a couple of decades at most from when secular skeptics say Daniel was written. This would mean that the book was written, and then became widespread and popular in a mere couple decades. This is a very serious reach which is not logical. https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1541&context=jats. Lastly, in Daniel chapter 5 it talks of the King Belshazzar needing Daniel to interpret writing on a wall. Again, some secular scholars in the early 19th century did not believe that King Belshazzar was a real person, because for some time they could only find record of a man named Nabonidus as the king for this time period. It also is interesting in the chapter that Belshazzar says he will make anyone who is able to interpret the wall 3rd in command of the whole kingdom. Why would he say this if he is real and the king, why not second? Even ancient historians like Herodotus, Megasthenes, Berossus said that the last king of Babylon was Nabonidus. Well discoveries found that this chapter is telling the truth. For example, the Nabonidus Cylinder from Ur which says “Belshazzar, the eldest son—my offspring”, dated to around 550BC. Vindicating Belshazzar as a real person. More evidence is seen in the Nabonidus Chronicle which describes Nabonidus being generally living far away from Babylon and Belshazzar as crown prince. It is not unusual for a crown prince or someone high up governing the kingdom day to day to be called king. For example, King Herod in the new testament was not actually king in the Roman empire but was a leader for a certain region. If this were written centuries after the 6th century BC how would Daniel know Belshazzar was a real person, as even other ancient historians did not write of him? One last point to explore is the use of the name Nebuchadnezzar as father to Belshazzar. In the Bible when the word father is used, it does not always mean literal father but ancestor or someone occupying the same office. The prophet Elisha had Shaphat as a biological father but calls his mentor Elijah as “His father” in 2 Kings 2:12. Jesus was called the son of David even though he was only his descendent. So as Belshazzar succeeded Nebuchadnezzar to the throne it is possible, he was in the Bible called father.
https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1547&context=auss
Now there are many more pieces of evidence for the old testament being historically accurate, but I can make more writings on those at a later date. This is all good but how do we know the translations of the Bible over the millennium can be reliable. There are two prominent texts that I would like to explore. The Ketef Hinnom Scrolls and the Dead Sea scrolls. The Ketef Hinnom Scrolls reveal to be a very early piece of scripture. It was found in burial chambers and has the writings of Numbers 6: 24-26 which is the 4th book in the Bible. These date to the 7th century BC which is much earlier than some secular scholars claim the Torah was written. This would suggest that the writings occurred much earlier than the 7th century BC as they were only burial amulets. This also shows the accuracy of these verses being the same in todays Bible with something over 2600 years old. The dead sea scrolls are very important as they have basically every book in the Bible in scroll form and are dated from 3rd century BC onwards. There are 230 manuscripts that are completely biblical texts. For example, the great Isiah Scroll. Before this the earliest copy of the oldest complete Hebrew Torah was the Leningrad codex and dates to 1000 AD approximately. There is very little difference between these two writings showing over 1000 years of time not much has changed and the Biblical writings are reliable.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1647cmz?turn_away=true&Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=Ketef+Hinnom+Scroll&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DKetef%2BHinnom%2BScroll&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A0bdf526ea5d91d1c248b09fe4958ae33
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20787416?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=finding%20deadsea%20scrolls&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dfinding%2Bdeadsea%2Bscrolls%26filter%3D&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A8af891fbd8ba59f31db8755999728f25&seq=1
This last section will be focusing on the latter part of the Bible the New Testament. I have often heard people scoff that the central figure of the Bible, Jesus, was even real. It shows how little people know about him. His is one of the most documented ancient figures of his era, with similar historical evidence as Julius Caesar. There are multiple accounts of him being real from Christian sources, the Bible and its accounts from the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. There are Jewish historians such as Josephus and roman Historians such as Tacitus who all talk about Jesus being a real person. Josephus was a Jewish historian who was not a Christian and describes that Pilate condemned Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah to a cross to die. He writes in around the year 93 AD. His book is called antiquities of the Jews. Tacitus a roman senator, also not a Christian, and historian also write of a man called Jesus who was killed on the cross by the orders of Pilate. Written in 116 AD in his book Annals. In addition, Babylonian Talmud writes about Yeshu being hanged for practicing sorcery and apostasy, Yeshu is Jesus. Lucian of Samosata also a Greek wrote of Jesus in the second century. Writing that he was a man worshipped by Christians who was crucified.
There are also many pieces of evidence that corroborate the text in the new testament. In John chapter 9 Jesus heals a blind man in the pool of Siloam. This very pool has been found to be real in Jerusalem. Pottery dated it around the pool is from old testament to new testament times. In the book of Romans 16:23 mentions a man called Erastus who in the Bible is the city’s treasurer or city official for Corinth where Paul wrote Romans. There is the Erastus inscription found in 1929 which said Erastus in return for his aedileship he paved with his own money. It is dated to 1st century BC and likely the same. There is also the Pilate stone which says Pontus Pilate, the man allowing the romans to kill Jesus, was the prefect of Judea from 26 AD to 36 AD. This is the time period when Jesus was killed. Another figure that is prominent in the death of Jesus is high priest Caiaphas. Archaeologists have probably found his Ossuary with his bones inside. Jewish Historian Josephus says high priest Caiaphas full name is Joseph Caiaphas. The box had on it, Joseph son of Caiaphas and had a 60-year-old man’s bones in it. This is another person in the Bible seen to be most likely real. In the book of Acts 18:12 describes Gallio was proconsul of Achaia. In Delphi, Claudius the emperor at the time inscribed Junius Gallio as a friend and proconsul. It is dated to 52 AD which is when the Apostle Paul would have lived. All these show the new testament to not be a fairy-tale but texts with real people in it.
https://legacy.tyndalehouse.com/tynbul/Library/TynBull_1989B_40_08_Gill_ErastusTheAedile.pdf
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/peq.1994.126.1.32?journalCode=ypeq20
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/300013.pdf?refreqid=excelsior%3A9c11775a00371e0feab60357dfc9cd2b page 144
The resurrection of Jesus is one of the biggest parts of the Bible. It has some evidence at the very least that people of the time claimed that it was true. Firstly, if we look at the Gospels they describe Jesus being buried in a tomb that was just for him. This was after he was crucified and was not in a mass grave for criminals. There have been a couple concrete discoveries to prove people were indeed crucified along with the many writings. The heel bone of Yehohanan is a heel with a large nail driven in it by romans to crucify. The bone was found in a family tomb like what Jesus was buried in. This shows the possibility of the Bible’s account for Jesus having a dignified burial. Furthermore, the Nazareth Inscription heavily suggests that people at the time thought he had resurrected. This is because it describes a penalty of death for people who caught robbing bodies of family tombs and dated to the first half of the 1st century AD. Its language is directed towards the Jews and not the Gentiles according to Dr. Clyde Billington. Why do people care about taking bodies, normally it was the treasure with the bodies people would steal? This what happened to the Pharaohs. In the Bible it describes that the Jewish leaders made up the story the disciples stole Jesus’ body. It seems likely that there was talk at the time that his body was stolen. It is reasonable to indicate there is a link and possibly a strong one between this inscription and Jesus. Some people may also say that he never was actually killed. If you look at who was killing him it does not make sense. The Romans we thoroughly trained and did not want to lose their job or life. They would have made sure you died on the cross, 1000s of people died during the first century from crucifixion. Even driving a spear to your side to ensure it. After that Jesus’ body was guarded by Roman soldiers who would not have let anyone steal the body. Who can survive 3 days without water, that is the length of time Jesus was dead in the Bible before he arose? In John it talks of water and blood coming from the spear hole in Jesus, which is a medical phenomenon, what would have happened to someone after taking such a beating from the floggings and other torture. Fluid would build up around the heart and lungs and come out from a hole with blood at the same time. How could someone 2000 years ago know this if they did not see it?
The Disciples themselves imply some validity of the resurrection. Not just because in their writings or their eyewitnesses who claim to have seen Jesus but for what they did after. 10 of the original disciples, after definitely knowing if it was a lie or not that Jesus was resurrected as they would know if they made up the story, all were killed brutishly for their belief in the resurrection. Some were beheaded or impaled or crucified upside-down. Why would you live your life persecuted and killed for a lie you made up? There had been many other self-proclaimed Messiahs before and after Jesus but if they got killed every time their following would either diminish or find a new leader. This is not what happened to Jesus. Paul writes that 500 people other than the disciples saw and met a resurrected Jesus.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1461138?Search=yes&resultItemClick=true&searchText=heel+bone+of+yehohanan&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dheel%2Bbone%2Bof%2Byehohanan&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_SYC-5187_SYC-5188%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Ac7a734f3bab60059d39f4e0540184402#metadata_info_tab_contents
About New Testament historical reliability to be the same as today I have seen a video that talks about it much better than I could. Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ksvhHEoMLM&ab_channel=RaviZachariasInternationalMinistries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9CC7qNZkOE&ab_channel=MrShazoolo
Finally, how does all this relate back to creation vs evolution. Well I have tried to layout a series of evidence for the Bible being historically accurate. You may disagree with a few, but I would be very hard pressed to believe everything I have said is false. With so much pointing towards this text being historically reliable it brings up the possibility that we could start believing it. Especially give some thought to the possibility of its very beginning being true. I am not writing this to tell you, you must believe every word of the Bible. Rather that people should take it more seriously than a complete fiction. I also know that for some of my evidence there are skeptics that deny links I have proposed which is their freedom. I would just ask the question is that 100% because that is what the facts are telling them or is their disbelief in God being real what drives them in a certain direction. To conclude this is not a direct argument saying evolution is incorrect but that the book from where Biblical creation comes from is worth looking at as more non-fiction than fiction. Meaning that creation does not come from a fairytale and should be looked at the very least with some possibility with the rest of the book being historically accurate.
Thanks for reading.
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2020.11.25 06:05 WatchieWatch29 The Ghost of Binge Drinking Past

Good evening to all my fellow followers of FU. The home of communal bat-shit fuckery and moments being recounted that would make even make the strongest of stomachs recoil in horror. This is my first post to the sub, thanks to u/sloppyeyescream for encouraging me to sit and actually write something and become more involved with the subreddit.
Do you ever reflect on your first ventures into true adult-hood. My parents brought me up to think adult-hood was about taxes and responsibilities. I have slowly learnt over time that adult-hood is so much more than responsibility, most of the time I find myself in reflecting in horror at events that I have previously experienced. I would love to tell you that every embarrassing moment of my life is simply unlucky or not my fault but its not. I am my own Forrest Gump, I pray for the time where I evolve into an average joe and become a respectable citizen but till then I will be gumping my way to the WHY-THE-FUCK-DID-I-DO-THAT-STUPID-SHIT Olympics.
I am from the UK. as much as I love a good cuppa with Yorkshire tea bags, or crumpets with butter, there is one important aspect of my culture, drinking, though the keen eye might call it functional alcoholism I simply review it as a necessity to forget all the stupid shit I have done in my short gumping career. There is one issue though.
What if the drink causes the moments I wish I could forget?
Back in 2017 when I was at [REDACTED] University, drinking truly became my best friend.
Someone got a promotion? OH SHIT LETS HAVE IT LARGE
Someone died? OH SHIT LETS HAVE IT LARGE
It's a Tuesday? Pint down the [REDACTED] it is.
You get the point we used to drink for the sake of drinking.
Anyway one day, we are sitting there imagining our lives as upstanding citizens, future doctors, politicians, vets; we were going to truly benefit this world. However, my thoughts about winning the next Nobel prize was rudely interrupted by a fantastic idea.
Ryan: Hey Watch, Do you want to get as humanly cunted as possible and scrounge as much beer as possible from the shop and drink till we pass out.
OP: Sure, I am up for, but why?
Ryan: Dunno its Monday and I'm bored.
Listen for you older lot, University isn't beneficial anymore, University is a 3 year piss up with a long term bill coming afterwards. If you want to know about Edward III's declining reign over his latter years and the dissection of England into a faction based political community, I am your guy. Unfortunately if someone yells doctor after having a heart attack I don't imagine they will be too pleased to hear about why Magna Carta established modern democracy in the United Kingdom.
I was always aware that my University degree was as useful as the nipple-tassels your ladies friends wear in those swanky clubs you frequent, however, I have always known just like nipple-tassels my history degree gets in the way.
Anyway we load up on cheap and shitty alcohol and evaluate the game plan. There were 10 of us and about double that in beer crates without about 7=9 bottles of spirit alcohol. Some of us assessed that we may still be functioning come dawn which was a horror to all of us. My mate Amy had the best solution.
Amy: Well if we are all heavy weights, why don't we simply drink as quickly and as fast as possible to overload our bodies on alcohol
HOLY SHIT YOU FUCKING GENIUS.
I felt as if Stephen Hawking had just provided my with his black-hole theory. I felt as if someone had just solved world hunger...this shit worked in my simple ape mind:
BEER+SMALL TIME x DRINK = GOOD.
SO we started drinking a lot, I felt like one of those guys in those hot dog eating competitions where there was no savouring the taste of the beer or enjoying the conversation, there was just consumption upon consumption. I would come to later regret this choice. After about like half-an-hour I look towards my crate of Camden Helles and only see one or two left...then it hit.
I am a big guy. I easily tower over all of my friends but yet they were all still laughing and chatting.
Do you remember that scene in Saving Private Ryan, on the beach when Tom Hanks was sitting there dazed and confused; ears ringing and watching the chaos around him unfold as those brave men stormed the beach.
Now replace Omaha Beach with a shitty little flat, that looked like Golem's hideout for his fuckfuck games with the shiny ring and then replace Tom Hanks with a council estate version of Robert Baratheon, only he is not running a kingdom; he drinking out of sheer boredom whilst paying nearly £10,000 a year for a degree in which isn't the most practical.
I am on the floor.Totally fucked.Scratch that royally fucked.
My limbs have lost all cognition, I have collapsed to the floor utterly devoid of any pride or sobriety lingering. My friends are all around me and laugh their fucking arses off (wankers) as they witness me be sucked into hell by the devil himself. After crawling across this piece of shit that is somehow certified as a home; I finally reach the outside but this just made the feeling oh so worse. I went from Tom Hanks to Tom Cruise in less than 5 seconds.
After trying to light a cigarette that wasn't there and trying to play keepie-ups with a bottle my friend noticed and decided maybe it was time for Watch to his the sack. I don't remember this bit; all I have been told is I leapt through bushes; sang the national anthem and would not shut the fuck up about how if I was born in the 60's I totally could have fornicated with Princess Diana. These are all moments I will never be proud of.
ANYWAY, After a long period of time this 5'6 bloke was able to guide me to my block of flats and carry this heavy 6'4 wildebeest up to my room. Thank you Ryan I genuinely did not know of your brave service till my other friends told me.
I PROMISE THERE ISN'T LONG LEFT OF THIS STORY I JUST BULLSHIT RAMBLE LIKE A CHAMPION.
You must be wondering...where's the embarrassing part? Sounds normal to me?
THIS NEXT PART IS GRAPHIC YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
After arriving in my palace fit for a king, I decided that I really needed the toilet, so it's important to mention here that I shared my flat with 6 other people. I waltz to the toilet in the most toddler like fashion possible and begin to proceed with my business (schoolboy style). Though as I was day dreaming and quite literally was pissing for England; I suddenly felt the urge to throw up.
Here is an equation that I only figured out by morning.
MANY BEER + CONSUME = LACK OF MOTOR SKILLS.
So there I was in my sacrilegious predicament, do I bend down to throw up in the toilet, or do I continue to use the toilet and throw up all over the wall?
I'm sure a smart and functioning member of society such as yourself would at least pick one of those two options.
Not me...
Due to my drunken state my motor skills had decided they were not needed and pissed off for the remainder of this horrific event. So what actually happened was I threw up all over my wall, in the process missing the toilet that was in use at the time and then fell backward whilst still pissing and tasting yesterdays dinner, soon after I passed out.
...
I don't know how to word this in a funny way so I will just say it outright.
The Christian girl I lived with that I had a crush on found me the next day in my unfortunate situation, quite early in the morning.
I think it's pretty safe to say I never dated her after this event.
I hope you enjoyed reading.
I truly can't believe I shared all of the details to this story, I only tell my friends certain things to do with the ending. I hate that I didn't invent this.
See ya soon :)
-Watch
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2020.11.25 03:03 highmrk How to make your grillpill digest smoother

Read books.
“I know, I know.” Well unless you’re doing it, then no, you don’t, you don’t. After sitting in neoliberal-poisoned classrooms for two decades, most people associate knowledge with just knowing the right answer on the test. As long as you can regurgitate the correct symbols, then congrats, you’re a learner. The subject matter has no relevance to their lives? They forget everything the day after the test? Or perhaps they were bored the entire time? Doesn’t matter! They jumped through the necessary hoops; which means they will get the good grade, graduate at the top of the class, get into a good college, then get a good job, and then have a happy life! At least that’s how the propaganda spells it out.
And I get it, we’re busier than ever before and more distracted than a 4 year old with ADHD. Students have constant homework, projects, and extracurriculars. Adults have to spend most of their energy towards some job for a petty tyrant just so they can barely scrape by. There’s not a lot of free time to think through things, so we just want the answers dammit!
Unfortunately, that keeps us on the prescriptive level. We just take orders or send those orders to others. “Clean your room, take out the trash, do your homework, get a 40 hour job, get married, VOTE.” It’s fine for short-term goals, but it’s not gonna get you very far in the long-term. We don't get much time on the descriptive or theoretical level. Learning how to navigate the landscape without being tied to explicit directions or external judgements like grades.
All of this short-sighted education provides fertile ground for a Kermit the Frog impersonator to walk in and say “clean your room… cuz it makes you feel like a dragon-slaying warrior, bucko.” Zoomers go wild. They vote him as stepdad of the year. Mid-millenials and older scratch their heads in confusion. The left’s criticism of Peterson is well trodden territory; he has no understanding of history, conflates postmodernism with marxism, naturalizes hierarchies, and you all know the rest.
But why is he so popular? He seems genuine and gives his audience a taste of the theoretical level like when he’s talking about Jung. People watch his lectures so they can learn something that goes beyond a midterm. I mean, shit, his Pinnochio analysis is pretty engaging. So while he’s definitely blue pilled and lame, it’s preferable to “clean your room! Because I said so!” Yeah, I think that believing two french philosophers are responsible for the death of the west is fucking insane and hilarious, but he’s preferable to the adults who just give commands.
Unfortunately, his teachings hit a wall. For god sake, his book is literally titled “Twelve RULES for Life”. And if you stick with the rules, you’ll get clobbered in front of millions by a smart and funny Slovenian man.
I hope it’s obvious by now, but you need to go beyond self-help books and people giving you rules. What you need is knowledge and a broader understanding of things. Let’s turn this to a favorite topic among those that are taking the grillpill: how to unplug from social media.
Everyone’s constantly saying how they’re trying to log off or at least get a better handle on their screen time. We all knoooow how bad it is for us, yet we keep going back to it. My previous efforts went something like this: “Get offline. Don’t look at your phone. Your phone is bad. Wait, what time is it? Oh damn, someone sent me a gif LMAO hilarious that reminds of this other gif where-.” And before you know it, I was on that bitch for an hour. Willpower certainly helped in a lot of scenarios, but only up to a point. All I knew was the repeated advice; don’t go on your phone too much, it affects your focus, etc.
See, I was just trying to follow the rules at first, but it only went so far. Then once COVID hit and I lost my job, I had plenty of free time to either waste it away on social media or picking up the books that I had been meaning to read for months. So I opened up this book called “Reclaiming Conversation” by Sherry Turkle. I’m tempted to summarize, but I’ll let the quotes speak for themselves.
I have a hundred other quotes that are just as good. In 365 pages, Turkle discusses how smartphones’ destroyed our capacity for solitude and self-reflection, alienates us from our friends and family, how romance is turning into commodification of people, how the learning experience in the classroom is being attacked, and what the broader implications are for our body politic. She gets pretty into it and gives example after example in different scenarios, examining our situation in regards to personal relationships, the classroom, the dating scene, and how people as a whole society are relating. Needless to say, now I don’t even think twice about putting my goddamn phone away when a friend is talking.
Reading a whole book on a subject just to change a habit can seem fairly extreme. Unfortunately, this is the water we’re swimming in now. You certainly can just stick to a habit by will, but spending a couple hours to learn helps for two reasons: the first is that you have a broader framework. So instead of just thinking that smartphones affect your individual focus, seeing the broader implications around you. As you encounter situations, you prescribe your own actions based on your knowledge.
The second reason is that even if I give you five reasons why you should work on sleep hygiene, you already have dozens of reasons for not prioritizing sleep. “I’ve functioned off four hours and I feel fine.” “My parents did it” “this one celebrity swears by it” “my homie only gets by on four hours and works in silicon valley” etc. So by reading these books and watching longer videos, you’re subjecting yourself to hundreds of reasons that completely engulf whatever reasons that were subconsciously instilled in you. After 330 pages and a two hour interview, I fucking finally took that shit seriously. Leaving my digital devices out of my bedroom when I sleep. Wearing some blue light blockers at night. No more willpower needed, I was convinced.
So if you wanna get healthier, learn about sleep and why you should stop being a mouthbreather. Let an actual professional help your posture. Transcend cancel culture by recognizing Present Shock and acknowledge the limitations of knowing what a stranger is thinking. Learn about the ideological waters we’re swimming in. And people are talking about capitalism a lot, so why not read this big book from this Karl guy.
I’m not saying that you need a PhD on every subject if you wanna have any hope of breaking from the matrix. And I don’t wanna give you paralysis by analysis either. But if you just spend a couple hourslearning about something, you’ll have an enormous bang for your buck. There’s a lot to the code that runs through everything. Besides… learning new shit is pretty fucking fun and gives you a lot of confidence moving forward!
In conclusion-actually, I’ll just let a grillpill master finish off this essay with some advice.
Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving, everyone!
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2020.11.25 01:57 lolpolice88 Three (Million) Strikes and Still Not Out: The Crown as the Consummate Recidivist? - Ani Mikaere

extract from Colonising Myths - Maori Realities: He Rukuruku Whakaaro by Ani Mikaere
https://huia.co.nz/huia-bookshop/bookshop/colonising-myths-maori-realities/
Google Books link
Three (Million) Strikes and Still Not Out: The Crown as the Consummate Recidivist?
Introduction As in any election year, New Zealand politicians and media alike have whipped the community into a frenzy over the spectre of criminals 'running amok’2 in our midst despite the statistics indicating that, if anything, reported crime rates have been declining and rates of resolution with respect to the most serious offences have improved markedly during the past decade. During the election campaign Winston Peters pledged to ‘mount a war against crime', promising to ensure the imprisonment of violent criminals ‘until they are too old to commit crimes'.4 While it may be tempting to interpret his electoral demise as a rejection of his ‘get tough on crime' stance, the rise in the ACT party's political fortunes would suggest that this is not the case. Not to be outdone by Winston Peters in the weeks leading up to the election, Rodney Hide introduced his 'three strikes and you're out' policy, reassuring his party faithful that conviction for a third violent offence would result in a sentence of twenty-five years to life. He appeared to take special pleasure in going one better than Peters' vision of prisons full of senior citizens by adding that prisoners could [djie in there if need be'. Both Labour and National pledged to get tough on crime and promised increased expenditure on law enforcement and the continued expansion of prisons.
While most politicians avoided making an explicit link between the criminals they were promising to lock up and Māori,5 it is no secret that some 50 percent of all prisoners are Māori, as are 60 percent of all female prisoners. Nobody was left in any doubt, therefore, as to who was envisaged as constituting the bulk of this fresh prison fodder.
The Department of Corrections has described the disproportionate representation of Māori in the criminal justice statistics as ‘alarmingand 'a catastrophe both for Māori and ... for New Zealand as a whole'.' In looking to find possible reasons for the present situation, the department recently considered two explanatory approaches. One examined the possibility of bias within the operation of the criminal justice system, while the other focused on whether the life experiences of Māori put us more at risk of criminal behaviour.9
It seems to me, however, that a crucial consideration is being completely ignored here: the incorrigible criminality of the Crown. It is to the Crown's long and shameful history of criminal violence that I believe we should turn in order to truly understand the context within which its legal system now functions to criminalise and incarcerate Māori in numbers so excessive as to put New Zealand in the company of such record setting gaolers as the United States. 10
In fact, the illegal states of New Zealand and the United States have rather more in common than staggeringly high rates of imprisonment. In 1992 Russell Means of the American Indian Movement made the following statement:11
Against Indians, there's not a law the United States hasn't broken, not a Crime Against Humanity it hasn't committed, and it's still going on.
Substitute ‘Māori' for 'Indians' and 'the Crown' for 'the United States' and it would be difficult to find a statement that more succinctly summarises the Crown's conduct since its agents of empire first intruded upon our world. I fail to see how any serious discussion of the relationship between Māori and the New Zealand criminal justice system can begin without a thorough exploration of the Crown's historical and ongoing criminality. While a full investigation of this question cannot be undertaken within the time allowed today, it is my hope that even a relatively brief perusal of its conduct since arriving in Aotearoa will suffice to prove my contention that the Crown is the ultimate recidivist. Acceptance of this basic truth is a necessary first step to the discarding of a system that appears to have as its primary focus the criminalisation and punishment of Māori, rather than the achievement of justice for all.
The Crown as murderer Estimates of the Māori population of Aotearoa prior to contact with Europeans range from 100,000 to 500,000.12 While exact population figures before 1769 may not be certain, it is well known that they began to decline from that date, a process that accelerated dramatically during the mid to late nineteenth century.13 By 1896, when the Māori population had reached a low point of 42,000,14 our extinction was being confidently predicted by the colonists.15
That exposure to introduced disease was the main cause of depopulation during the first century of contact is beyond doubt.16 This outcome cannot sensibly be portrayed as an unforeseen consequence of Europeans coming to our part of the world. By the eighteenth century European colonisers had already seen, in the Americas and elsewhere, what happened when the full array of European pathogens was unleashed upon a population that lacked immunity to them. Historian William McNeill has observed that by the sixteenth century ‘Europe had much to give and little to receive in the way of new human
infections'.17 As Ronald Wright explains:18
Europe possessed biological weapons that fate had been stacking against America for thousands of years. Among these were smallpox, measles, influenza, bubonic plague, yellow fever, cholera, and malaria – all unknown in the Western Hemisphere before 1492.
When Columbus first arrived in the Americas in 1492, the Indigenous population is estimated to have been between eighty million and 100 million: within sixty years, that figure had plummeted to ten million, a decline of up to 90 percent.19 Wright calls this the greatest mortality in history’.20 Of course, Columbus and his contemporaries cannot have understood that as they first stepped ashore in the Carribean, they constituted living, breathing agents of germ warfare. However, the correlation between the arrival of people from Europe and the dramatic death rates amongst the Indigenous population as a result of diseases hitherto unknown to them very soon became apparent. As Churchill notes, literature of the times frequently remarked upon it and even celebrated it as evidence of God's will.21 He concludes:22
Altogether, there was nothing at all unwitting, unintentional, accidental, or inadvertent about the way the great bulk of North America's indigenous population was 'vanished by microbe'.
Even less, then, could it be claimed that the 'vanishing by microbe' of the Māori population in Aotearoa some three hundred years later was an unanticipated result of the influx of British traders and settlers. 23 The Crown understood only too well the consequences of European contact for a previously isolated population such as Māori. Rather than discouraging British citizens who sought to establish ongoing relationships with Māori, however, it offered its tacit approval by establishing an official presence here in 1832.24 And in the years following the signing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi in 1840, the Crown actively facilitated the rapid expansion of the settler population, despite centuries of experience having already shown that increased exposure to European pathogens would lead to catastrophic population decline for Māori. There are only two possible explanations, then, for the Crown's choice to proceed with a course of action that it knew was likely to cause widespread death amongst Māori: either it actively sought our extermination, or it was simply reckless as to whether or not our extinction resulted. Either way, it is murder.
Nor should it be imagined that the negative impacts on our health and well-being resulting from the Crown's criminal conduct belong safely in the past. The current state of Māori health is inextricably tied to the events of the 1800s. To paraphrase Thomas Berger:25
A history of disease and death permeates relations between [Pākehā] and [Māori] today. Down the long passageways of time the memories of fire and epidemic occurring and recurring, manifesting themselves today in marginalisation and despair, form a chain, linking the past to the present.
While we may have largely absorbed the initial calamitous impacts of European disease, the pattern of Māori ill-health established during those early days of contact has continued, with lifestyle changes and increased reliance on introduced foods and addictive substances such as alcohol exacting an horrific toll on our contemporary well-being. The modern-day epidemics that currently plague us can be traced to the neglect or even the deliberate actions of the Crown just as surely as it can be held responsible for the dramatic population decline that we suffered during the nineteenth century.
The Crown as thief Less than two hundred years ago, all twenty-nine million hectares of Aotearoa were Māori land. While it would be inconsistent with a Māori worldview to declare that we ‘owned the land, iwi and hapū enjoyed an intimate relationship with each and every corner of Te Ika-a-Māui and Te Waipounamu. This included the obligation to care for the land as an atua, as an ancestress. The responsibilities inherent in this relationship could not be avoided or abandoned.
By 1996 the amount of Māori land had been reduced to 1.5 million hectares, a mere 5 percent of Aotearoa. The vast bulk of this reduction occurred during the nineteenth century as a result of Crown purchases, confiscation 26 and the Native Land Court process. All of these mechanisms have been the subject of Waitangi Tribunal claims over the past thirty years, each of them earning sharp criticism and findings of Crown culpability. Crown purchases have been condemned as marred by broken promises, 27 land confiscations pronounced unlawful28 and the Native Land Court famously described as “a veritable engine of destruction29 of Māori land tenure.
Speaking on the New Zealand Settlements Bill in the Legislative Council in 1863, Dr Pollen perhaps summed up best the Crown's approach towards the acquisition of land from the moment Hobson signed Te Tiriti o Waitangi:30
[F]rom that time to this every action of ours affecting the Natives had presented itself to their eyes, and had been capable of that interpretation, as showing that our object and business in this colony was to obtain possession of the lands of the Natives recti si possimus; si non, quoncunque modo [legally, if possible; if not, by whatever means].
It is not proposed to rehearse the length and breadth of criminal behaviour exhibited by the Crown as it has sought to satisfy its insatiable appetite for land. There are, however, two points that ought not to go unmentioned. The first is that there is an inescapable connection between the activities of murderer and thief: each reinforced the other. The theft of land from Māori produced poverty and dislocation - physical, emotional and spiritual – on an unprecedented scale. When combined with the lack of immunity to introduced disease, the effect was cataclysmic. In a particularly cruel twist, historian Keith Sorrenson has found that the mere act of attending Native Land Court hearings 'greatly enhanced the efficiency of disease diffusion', 31 with people gathering in urban centres for extended periods of time, being forced to stay in unhygienic conditions and then carrying newly acquired infections back to their homes.
The second point is that however strenuously the Crown might try today to distance itself from the thievery of its predecessors, theft of Māori land has remained very much a part of its repertoire. Compulsory acquisition of so-called 'uneconomic interests 32 and the reclassification of Māori land with fewer than five owners as European land33 during the 1950s and 1960s are both testament to this fact, as is the excessive load borne by Māori with respect to Public Works takings, right through to the present day.34 But the most blatant act of theft to have taken place in recent times must surely be the Seabed and Foreshore Act 2004. It serves as a timely reminder that the Crown remains, as ever, prepared to wield legislative power as a weapon against us in order to clothe its criminal acts with a show of legality.
The Crown as sexual predator Earlier this year I was fortunate enough to attend a hui where Andrea Smith and Sherene Razack spoke about the connection between sexual violence and colonialism. 35 Andrea Smith argued that colonisation marks native women as inherently rapable and, by extension, renders native lands and native people in general similarly defileable.36 In my view, the relevance of this analysis to our own situation is readily apparent. If the suggestion that colonisation marks Māori women as inherently rapable strikes you as a little extreme, I suggest you pause to consider the ways in which Māori women were characterised by the Pākehā men who first visited our shores. Incapable of understanding our apparent lack of sexual domination by men, they interpreted our autonomy as promiscuity:37
Eroticised in the journals of the European explorers of the Pacific, Polynesian and Māori women were constructed as dusky skinned, South Seas maidens, amorous, exotic, sensual and sexually available.
Is this an attitude long-since forgotten? I strongly suspect that if I were to ask for a show of hands from those who have experienced first-hand white men's delusional assumptions about how 'easy Māori women are, we would find that little has changed. As for the extension of the idea of the inherent rapability of Māori women to Māori land, I doubt that many of us would consider it too great a stretch of the imagination to describe the present-day desecration of Papatūānuku as an extreme form of sexual violence. In reality the rape of Papatūānuku is almost inevitable in light of the fact that Pākehā land tenure positions her as neither atua nor ancestress, but rather as the property of men. As owners, they exert power and control over her. As capitalists, it is not only their right but in fact their duty to exploit her.
With respect to the idea that colonisation marks native people generally as inherently violable, I found Sherene Razack's examination of the parallels between sexual violence and colonialism particularly compelling.38 She made the chilling observation that sexual violence makes ordinary men into kings, occupiers and conquerors. She also pointed out that for the coloniser, violence is an identity-forming activity and argued that colonisers have to go into the space of the colonised in order to truly know themselves. The simple logic of her analysis is difficult to dispute. For what is rape/colonisation if not the unwelcome and violent invasion of another's space? And what is it that drives the rapist/coloniser if not some deep-seated insecurity about their own identity, some perverted need to subordinate another in a desperate attempt to feel complete?
While historical examples of the Crown's incursions into our space abound, the most obvious being the military invasions that took place during the nineteenth century, I am more interested in focusing on its present day behaviour to illustrate how the compulsion to force itself upon us persists. The Seabed and Foreshore Act 2004, referred to earlier, provides a classic example: not content with having taken over all but 5 percent of the land mass of Aotearoa, the Crown's immediate response to the possibility of Māori rights and responsibilities being confirmed with respect to any part of the foreshore was to invade it, symbolically at least, by appropriating it. Another blatant example is last year's so-called 'anti-terrorism raids'. Alarmed at the prospect that the natives were growing restless the Crown, with an excessive show of force, sought to remind selected individuals and the community of Ruatoki that it is king, conqueror and occupier in this land. To note a particularly sickening parallel between the military campaigns of the 1800s and the para-military operation of 2007, in both instances the symbolic rape of Māori communities was accompanied by the sexual violation of individual Māori women. How else could one characterise the rape of women at Parihaka, 39 or the taking by police of young women's underwear as claimed evidence of terrorism some 120 years later?
Dramatic as this illustration might be, I am also mindful of the multitude of less obvious ways in which the Crown seeks to invade our space. By way of example, Te Wānanga o Raukawa has worked hard to become a place within which kaupapa Māori and tikanga Māori can flourish. We seek to conduct all aspects of our work in a manner that is consistent with our foundational kaupapa and considerable effort has gone into defending the integrity of the tikanga space that has been created. Nevertheless, the Crown is always searching for ways to enter our space. Its efforts to do so assume many forms, from its attempt to attach to its recent Treaty settlement with us numerous conditions that would enable it to keep interfering in our affairs to ensure compliance', to its constant efforts to monitor us via the New Zealand Qualifications Authority. The consummate predator, it lurks constantly at the margins, watching and waiting for any opportunity to invade and occupy.
The logic of genocide The foregoing is but an overview of Crown criminality, historical and ongoing. As with any overview, it has the effect of glossing over the full extent of damage suffered by those on the receiving end of the Crown's campaign of destruction. However, it is hoped that it will suffice as a platform upon which to build the next part of this discussion, which seeks to understand the reasons for the Crown's apparent compulsion to commit crime. Tempting as it might be to dismiss the Crown's serial offending as a clear case of criminal insanity, I believe there is method to its madness, that can best be understood within the framework of what Andrea Smith has called the logic of genocide? 40
In Aotearoa, as in all settler-state colonies, the aim of the coloniser has been to supplant Māori within our own land. 41 Pivotal to the success of this project is our disappearance, as Andrea Smith explains:42
The pillar of genocide serves as the anchor for colonialism – it is what allows non-Native peoples to feel they can rightfully own indigenous peoples' land. It is okay to take land from indigenous peoples, because indigenous peoples have disappeared.
All the Crown's criminal conduct over the past two centuries – the murder, the theft, the sexual predation - can be understood as part of a general strategy to 'disappear' us.
So too can the raft of assimilatory policies employed in order to digest the residue of survivors43 from the holocaust of the nineteenth century. The attempt to remake us in the image of our colonisers, otherwise known as cultural genocide, has included the deliberate assault on our reo, our tikanga and our belief systems. Our language was replaced with English, our tikanga with English law and our belief systems with Christianity. While the Crown no longer actively pursues the death of the language, it has accorded it no more than a grudging degree of recognition by way of Te Reo Māori Act 1987 and limited support for such initiatives as kāhanga reo, kura kaupapa Māori, wānanga and Māori television. Tikanga, meanwhile, has been reduced to a shadow of its former self: once it prevailed over all who came here, but it has now been confined to the margins of ‘mainstream' society. Beyond contexts such as the marae, where it generally still assumes a central place, tikanga is only recognised to the extent that Crown law has chosen to 'incorporate' it. Our belief systems, on the whole, have either been rejected or have become so polluted by Christian concepts that they have changed almost beyond recognition.
Even that crudest of assimilatory tools, the blood quantum concept, still attracts a frightening degree of approval. It was not until 1974 that the Maori Affairs Amendment Act finally disposed of successive legislative attempts to define Māori identity on the basis of the amount of Māori blood that a person had. Nevertheless, some thirty years later Don Brash was very nearly elected prime minister, largely on the basis of an openly racist speech that suggested, among other things, that intermarriage had resulted in there being no 'real Māori left.44 A few months later Trevor Mallard, in his capacity as Coordinating Minister, Race Relations, insisted that Pākehā are now Indigenous and claimed that he regarded himself as an Indigenous New Zealander.45 Clearly the desire to supplant us in our own land remains high on our colonisers' agenda.
During the last one hundred years, a powerful new means of making us disappear has been found: it is called, somewhat incongruously, the criminal justice system. 46 Its central pillar is incarceration, both the threat of it and the actuality. Angela Davis has commented on how prisons are perceived as performing a feat of magic, making a multitude of social problems disappear from public view by relegating the human beings contending with those problems to cages. 47 However, she also notes that this is an illusion - in reality 'prisons do not disappear problems, they disappear human beings'.48 Our involvement in the New Zealand criminal justice system, while initially small, grew steadily until about the middle of the 1900s, since when it has increased at an alarming rate.49 When we consider the indecent haste to build new prisons in this country, it is plain which particular human beings are being targeted to be ‘vanished' behind their walls.
We should pause for a moment to ponder the cruel irony of our current situation: the ultimate recidivist has designed and now implements its own legal system in order to further prey upon its victims. In a bizarre reversal of roles, the serial offender has become the arbiter of justice while we are now perceived as criminals.
When the criminal assumes control of the criminal legal system
In 1858, Governor Gore-Browne released a compilation of the laws of England, in English and in Māori, with the purported aim of assisting Māori in our journey towards the whole-hearted adoption of English law. Unsurprisingly, the publication presented English law in glowing terms:50
[T]he Maori is ... fortunate .... A wise and a generous people, the English, have settled in his land; and this people are willing to teach him, and to guide him in the well-made road which themselves have travelled for so many generations; that is, in the path of the perfected law .... Let there now be no doubt nor hesitation, but be patient and earnest and follow the direction of those who have been appointed to shew you the right and the finished path.
What, then, can it be said these 'wise and generous people have taught us? Apparently, that crime pays, the more outrageous the crime, the greater the reward. Not only has the Crown profited from its wrongdoing, it now wields the proceeds of its criminal conduct (its self-proclaimed authority and a rich resource base) in order to commit further acts of violence (arrest, imprisonment and the multiple infringements of personal space that accompany these activities) against us.
We should not be surprised that the power of the imposter state called New Zealand is inextricably intertwined with brutality, given the violent way in which that power was acquired. Indeed, it has been suggested that violence is an integral component of the modern state: 5
The modern State defines itself by its monopoly over the means of coercion and the exercise of force. The State is the institutionalised legitimisation of violence. In this framework, violence carried out by non-State actors and outside of State sanction is illegitimate, and ultimately the target of coercive action by the State to reassert its monopoly over violence.
In fact, with respect to the modern state of New Zealand, something rather less than actual violence is required in order to make you the target of such coercive action. If the state regards you as an activist the merest suspicion that you might be thinking violent thoughts has proven more than sufficient to bring armed goons bursting through your front door in the dead of night. 52
Seeking explanations for Māori over-representation in the criminal justice statistics We return now to the debilitating level of entanglement with the criminal legal system that Māori experience today. When viewed against the backdrop of the Crown's criminality it is difficult to take seriously most contemporary efforts to 'explain' the negative statistics. As mentioned earlier, the Department of Corrections recently considered two explanatory approaches: the first focussed on the suggestion that bias operates within the criminal justice system, while the second questioned whether a range of adverse early-life social and environmental factors result in Māori being at greater risk of ending up in patterns of adult criminal behaviour. 53
The sheer inanity of both lines of enquiry establishes beyond a doubt that the department excels when it comes to establishing the blindingly obvious. And for disingenuousness of approach to the question of why Māori so disproportionately experience adverse life experiences and circumstances, its conclusion is difficult to beat:54
For a range of social and historical reasons, many Māori appear to be unusually prone to experiencing such circumstances.
Appear to be unusually prone? Such coyness as to the reasons for the contemporary circumstances of Māori is, to say the least, bizarre. The Crown has been responsible for a relentless campaign of criminal violence against us. Every day that it continues to assert its authority in this land, it demonstrates that violence carries its reward and that crime pays. It has viciously attacked our physical, social, emotional and spiritual well-being over a long period of time, thus setting in train a crippling cycle of violence from which some of us, unsurprisingly, have struggled to escape.
While the cycle of violence concept seems to have gained widespread acceptance as a way of understanding family relationships, the Crown appears to have real difficulty in grasping its applicability to the relationship between itself and the people whose home lands it has invaded. It refuses to acknowledge its own complicity in creating and perpetuating the cycle. When Tariana Turia raised questions about the phenomenon of post-colonial traumatic stress disorder in 2000,55 she was subjected to an outpouring of self-righteous indignation from many quarters, most visibly Prime Minister Helen Clark, who was particularly offended by her use of the word 'holocaust to describe our experience of colonisation.
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Like all abusers, the Crown denies any responsibility for the dysfunctional relationship that it has created. In fact, it demands that its wrong-doings be forgotten or, at the very least, forgiven as relatively minor infractions when weighed against the benefits of the 'perfected law' that it has so generously bestowed upon us.
Yet, as Ward Churchill has spelt out:56
[T]here can be no absolution, no redemption of past crimes unless the outcomes are changed. So long as the aggressor's posterity continues to reap the benefits of that aggression, the crimes are merely replicated in the present. In effect, the aggression remains ongoing and, in that, there can be no legitimacy. Not now, not ever.
The constitutional question Any discussion of Crown law inevitably leads to the question of its legitimacy. I have argued elsewhere that tikanga Māori is the first law of Aotearoa.57 It served the needs of whānau, hapū and iwi for a thousand years before tauiwi arrived, providing a comprehensive philosophical framework within which relationships were negotiated and disputes resolved. We had no police force, no courthouses and an incarceration rate of zero percent.
Careful examination of Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840 and its antecedent, He Whakaputanga 58 o te Rangatiratanga o Nu Tireni, clearly reveal a Māori intention to preserve the system of law that had served us so well, while creating a space for the Crown to implement English law amongst its own lawless subjects in our land. The implementation of English law was permitted by the granting to the Crown of kāwanatanga, a form of delegated authority that was subject to the overriding rangatiratanga of the Māori signatories.
In the intervening years, the Crown has managed to turn this arrangement on its head, redefining kāwanatanga as sovereignty and equating tino rangatiratanga with property rights or, at best, iwi self-management. It now asserts the right to determine what is criminal and what is not. It has taken for itself the power to coerce us into accepting its definition of criminality, from which it has taken care to exclude its own conduct as the supreme purveyor of violence and dishonesty.
It must be stressed that it has achieved this reversal in power relations not through any legitimate constitutional process, but rather as a direct result of the criminal conduct detailed above. This means that New Zealand is in fact an imposter state, a figment of the colonial imagination. It has no legal basis and the Crown has no legitimate claim to make laws for anyone other than tauiwi, subject to the overarching authority of Māori.
This fact of Crown illegitimacy has important ramifications for the way in which we define the problem of Māori offending, just as it must be borne in mind when working out solutions to the undeniab
issue of social harm within our communities.
Where to now? While the focus of this paper has been the criminal conduct of the Crown, this is not to suggest that social harm is not a serious problem within Māori communities. The deliberate or reckless infliction of harm on others has devastating consequences, for wrong-doers, for victims and for the whānau of both. Having said that, I must confess to tiring of the feeding frenzy that breaks out around any incident that is seen as providing the opportunity to portray Māori as inherently and irredeemably criminal. Reminding ourselves of the magnitude of the Crown's criminality may, if nothing else, help us to maintain a sense of perspective.
However, curiously satisfying as it might be to criticise the Crown, I am not doing it purely because it is enjoyable or easy. The reason that I have chosen to concentrate on the Crown's conduct is because I believe that our behaviour today cannot be seen in isolation from our relationship with the Crown. Unless we are clear about its role in creating the situation with which we are now faced, the choices we make about how best to move forward may well be doomed to failure. For instance, it would be illogical in the extreme to expect any effective solutions to the so called 'problem of Māori offending' to come from the Crown. The Crown is the problem, not the solution. As the Generation Five project notes:59
The conditions that allow all forms of violence to continue cannot be truly transformed by the State, being an institutional formation that is itself reliant on its exercise of violence.
A first step, then, in finding solutions to the current levels of Māori offending is to understand the complicity of the Crown in shaping our present circumstances. This can only lead to a firm decision to reject the Crown legal system in its entirety. It has been constructed upon a foundation of Crown criminality and it lacks any claim to legitimacy. Its criminal justice sector entrenches violence, both in its assumption of authority to define criminal offending as well as in the way it processes and imprisons Māori in such excessive numbers.
Rejecting the imposter legal system is an act of resistance against the colonising ethos of the Crown. Such resistance requires much more from us than fine-sounding words. It requires us to match our actions to our words. While we may have survived, in a physical sense, the genocidal policies of the past, we know that assimilatory policies and practices designed to make us disappear abound. We should also be mindful that the onslaught to which we have been subjected has created conditions that are highly conducive to our acting in ways that mean we end up making ourselves disappear. You might say that colonisation has programmed those who have survived its initial impact to self destruct over time. We need to take responsibility for our actions, ...
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2020.11.24 20:57 Mighty_Killah How did Ethiopia come to civil war? An overview of modern Ethiopian History and how Ethiopian history has shaped events leading to the Tigray Crisis.

How did Ethiopia come to civil war? An overview of modern Ethiopian History and how Ethiopian history has shaped events leading to the Tigray Crisis.
Hello, /neoliberal. I wanted to help summarize the historical events leading to the current civil war happening in Ethiopia between the federal government led by Abiy Ahmed and the regional government of Tigray, led by Debretsion Gebremichael. This situation is incredibly complex, murky, and needs a lot historical context before anything starts making sense. I would like to disclose that, like everyone else in the world, I'm biased, have my own assumptions and opinions, and that many Ethiopians might disagree with my summarizing of history. I've also got family on both sides of this war, lost contact with family in Tigray, and have certainly lost at least one relative already to this war. I'm not objective by any means. Please keep reading and learning, and most of all keep skeptical when reading news about the country and histories that flatten narratives. Here's to the summary:
Summary of Modern Ethiopian History (1850-1974)
Travel back to 1850s Ethiopia. Atse (Emperor) Tewodros II, from the Qwara Region located in modern day northwestern Amhara Region, ends the Zemane Mesafint. The Zemane Mesafint was a time of constant civil wars, where different regions of Ethiopia rebelled to either gain independence from the Ethiopian Empire, or fight to rule over a unified Ethiopia where their region is dominant. Ethiopia is (roughly) the territory shown below:
Rough approximation of the kingdoms comprising the Empire of Ethiopia in 1850's under Atse Tewodros II.
Lots of details cut out here for efficiency, but seeing how the African continent was being colonized by European forces, and wishing to avoid the same fate while continuing to acquire territory to the north and south, Tewodros consolidates his empire and asks to trade with different European powers for modern weaponry. Different European nations deny trading opportunities for different reasons, all essentially having their own imperial objectives in the region and not wanting too strong an independent power in the region. This leads to growing tensions, which erupt with the British, and the British invade Ethiopia to depose Tewodros. After a few uncertain years of rule, Atse Yohannes IV, king of Tigray, rises to the throne and eliminates his rivals claimants.
Wanting to unify Ethiopia, he decides that he will differ from previous Ethiopian emperors in two ways. 1. Ethiopian Emperors would usually appoint governors from their own areas to govern over other regions. This created conflict. Yohannes instead appoints governors from the regions conquered, even if they fought hard against him, and would try a looser grip federally to focus on foreign policy. This proved pretty popular. 2. He declares Christianity the state religion, promising to execute those refusing to convert from their indigenous religions, Judaism, or Islam. This proved much, much less popular. With these policies set out, he expands to the North, and encourages the southern kingdoms to expand even further southward. After a few particularly irksome foreign policy dealings with Italy, the Ottoman Empire, and Great Britain, he becomes frustrated and reckless, leading the frontlines in war against Mahdist Sudan and dying in the process. Many of the Tigrayan elite feel betrayed, suspecting one of Yohannes' kings, Menelik II of double-crossing him.
Map of Ethiopia under Yohannes IV with battle dates.
Menelik II of Shewa was troublesome throughout Yohannes' rule, constantly testing Yohannes IV's patience. Menelik II of Shewa was intent on rising to the top no matter what, and many felt that he was involved in Yohannes' death somehow. Despite this speculation, he defeated his rival claimants and was in charge of this growing, multi-ethnic empire. Growing tensions in north of Ethiopia with the Italians, who had worked with Great Britain on a back-room deal to deceive Ethiopia and annex the coastal territories of Massawa and Asseb that Ethiopians traditionally used to export goods, lead to negotiation and the Treaty of Wuchale. This treaty was bad for Tigray, giving Tigrayan territories to the Italians to ensure that the rest of Ethiopia would have it's independence recognized by European powers. Italy had included a clause in only the Italian translation of the treaty that made Ethiopia a protectorate of Italy. This was to create a cause for war with Ethiopia, where Italy believed they would have the upperhand and conquer the rest quickly after. Things did not go Italy's way, and Menelik rebuffed Italian forces pretty handily. Menelik did not fight to receive back Tigrayan territory in Eritrea, and generally Tigrayans felt marginalized in his dealings. Menelik II went on to centralize rule of Ethiopia, stripping some levels autonomy from all regions, and greatly expanding the empire southwards. Bloody battles and peaceful negotiations incorporated the rest of Ethiopia to the south. Menelik II is deeply controversial for much of his expansion and dealings with southern Ethiopia.

Map of the Horn of Africa near the end of Menelik II's rule in 1914.
Skipping to 1945, the next major emperor is the famous Haile Selassie. In the post-war period, he wanted to centralize Ethiopia further. Note the consistent theme in these accounts: Every federal government wants to centralize power in the federal branch. His reign is also hotly contested in Ethiopia. He pursues a policy of centralization, of unification, and also of creating an ethnic-nationalism for Ethiopia that had not been pursued before. As a modernizer, Haile Selassie wants to create national standards and regulations (moving away from traditional and customary laws), to create a parliament and implement some weakened form of constiutional monarchy, to create infrastructure to connect the country to each other, and to create an Ethiopian ethnic-identity. He opens schools, government offices, and other such things around the country, but instructs them to only use the Amharic language for all governmental and legal affairs. During this time, many around the country went to school for the first time, and proved to be excellent students. However, the forced language of Amharic was off-putting to many who felt tied, historically, culturally, and religiously to languages they used in their regions. In addition, Amharic second-language speakers felt discriminated against for loans, business, jobs, and so on. For various complicated reasons, Haile Selassie is deposed by the Derg, a communist junta with support from the Soviet Union.
Map of Ethiopian Empire at the end of Haile Selassie's rule in 1974. Eritrea was annexed into Ethiopia following WWII.
Primary sources for this section are from Bahru Zewde's A History of Modern Ethiopia and Donald Levine's Greater Ethiopia.
The Ethiopian Revolution, and secession of Eritrea from Ethiopia, and the EPRDF (1974-2018)
Although extremely ideologically different from the monarchy, the Derg also supported the creation of Ethiopian national identity. At first, they promoted the use of Amharic as the national language, but after time they try to compromise with rebels and promise a kind of ethnic-federalism in the country. Derg is fought hard by the EPLF (Eritrean People's Liberation Front), which wants self-determination for Eritrean peoples who they felt were colonized by the Ethiopian Empire. TPLF, the infamous Tigrayan People's Liberation Front, began an armed uprising against the Derg for self-determination rights. Tigray at this point has felt incredibly marginalized, and has been air-bombed and massacred by the Derg. TPLF and EPLF gain control of the northern territories of Ethiopia, and drive out rival movements and uprisings in the North. A coalition of different ethnic groups seeking self-determination rights throw out the Derg in 1991 after the collapse of Soviet support. This coalition, the EPRDF (Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front), abandons their commitment to communism due to the collapse of the USSR, and begins to write the constitution. While in theory all equals, this coalition is pretty strongly lead by the TPLF. EPRDF writes the current governing constitution of Ethiopia. Due to their roots as an organization fighting for self-determination, they write a constitution that divides up the country into administrative regions of various sizes and orders, and grants the right to rule over these regions to ethnic groups that are determined to be indigenous to the zones. In the constitution, any region also has the unconditional right to secede from Ethiopia pending processes. Eritrea takes this option, seceding and becoming an independent nation after a tightly scrutinized referendum. This constitution solves many issues that lead to revolution in Ethiopia, but creates lots of other issues.
Map of Ethiopia in 2000, with administrative regions shown.
Although they still faced issues, marginalized ethnic groups were able to self-administrate, teach and learn in their own languages, and use customary laws to govern their regions. Languages made revivals, people felt they could celebrate their cultures, and so much more. This was not the case everywhere, though. Ethnic federalism, like any drawing of borders and lines, created hotly contested lands. For one example, there is an area in southern Tigray is known as Raya which is deeply and historically ethnically mixed between Amhara, Oromo, and Tigrayan peoples. They are now administered as a part of Tigray Region, despite their mixed history, and those with less Tigrayan heritage feel like second class citizens. In Oromia, there are 10-15 million Amhara who also live without self-determination rights because they are not in the Amhara Region. In the SNNPR, which is a hodge podge region of 40+ ethnic groups combined into one region, there was deep infighting and power struggles between the Sidama, Wolayta, and more. This constitution worked great for more homogenous regions, like Tigray, Afar, and Somali, but failed to create lasting peace due to the contestations over land rights between ethnic groups in diverse, mixed, and border territories.
This is, in addition to the systemic corruption by the EPRDF, lead to massive protests from the Oromo, who have long felt marginalized in general by Ethiopia. In 2016/2017, massive Amhara protests joined, and a cascade of ethnic groups began to protest the EPRDF for alleged corruption, theft, embezzlement, human rights abuses, and more. EPRDF promised more transparency, open election, less corruption, and to appoint a prime minister to facilitate the transition to multi-party democracy. His name? Dr. Abiy Ahmed Ali.
Abiy Ahmed, PM of Ethiopia appointed by the EPRDF. Originally from the Oromo People's Democratic Organization part of the coalition government.
Ethiopia in the Age of Prosperity Party (2018 - Present)
Abiy was, as many here are familiar with, the compromise candidate that everyone was actually excited for. People all over the country thought he would come in and fix all of Ethiopia's problems. From ending Ethiopia's forever-war with Eritrea, to promising liberalization of the economy and democratization of the country following deeply authoritarian rule of EPRDF, he seemed like a magic bullet. He began by allowing opposition groups back into the country if they agreed to disarmament, freeing political prisoners, and publicly investigating and uncovering levels of corruption and authoritarianism in the previous government that shocked even critics of the EPRDF. He consolidated his support among the diaspora with a huge world tour where he promoted his ideology which he called "Medemer."
In 2019, one of the opposition leaders invited back to the country was Jawar Mohammed. While ideologically different, they were both from the Oromo ethnic group and wanted to make Ethiopia better for Oromos than it had been. Abiy was critical of ethnic politics at times, saying to various ethnic-nationalists that it was better to unite under the common banner of Ethiopia. He started to slowly make enemies within the camp that supported ethnic-federalism. Multinational federalists believe that Ethiopia will only be at peace if it keeps the constitution as it is, with regions divided amongst ethnic groups to facilitate ethnic self-rule. He began to replace his advisers that were proponent of multinational federalism, and kept getting challenged by Tigray which was still ruled by TPLF. In addition, Tigrayans felt that Abiy was unfairly targetting Tigrayans with criminal prosecution of corruption. EPRDF was a multi-ethnic coalition, after all, and any corruption mostly likely involved individuals of many ethnic groups. At the end of 2019, Jawar Mohammed felt that he was being targetted by the government as well, spied on and potentially about to be arrested. He sent out a WhatsApp message to his supporters to protect him one day, and many people came out to the streets to try to protect him. Unfortunately, these riots became deadly, killing 70 people.
In 2020, Abiy began to centralize his power ahead of the elections as well, combining the EPRDF coalitional parties into one -- the Prosperity Party (PP). Only one party decided not to join, the TPLF, which called the move unconstitutional and a regressive step back into the centralization days of Haile Selassie or the Derg. Proponents of multinational federalism also felt upset with Abiy over his general continued militarization of the Oromo Region and for his perceived preference for a de-ethnicized politics. In addition, Abiy delayed the 2020 elections almost immediately upon the announcement of COVID-19. Many of all political preferences saw this as an excuse, and with the centralization of power under the PP, politics in the country became increasingly toxic and unproductive. TPLF openly disputed this move, saying it would continue to hold regional elections despite the official postponement. Concurrently, ethnic massacres became much, much too commonplace. Some factions of the Oromo Liberation Front (OLF), an armed rebel group that wants self-determination for the Oromo peoples, armed up and began trying to seize territories further from Addis in Western Oromia.
While unfortunately not new to Ethiopia, the scale, organization, and sheer number of victims exploded. All over the country, issues over land rights, multinational federalism, and extreme ethnic-nationalism boiled over. This became particularly pronounced after the assassination of popular Oromo protest singer Haachaalu Hundessa. Many Oromos felt deeply connected to him, as he showcased the plight of Oromo farmers outside of Addis Ababa who's lands were being annexed to expand the capital. This caused a wave of fake news and hate speech on social media, in particular Facebook and WhatsApp who had no Ethiopian moderators who were able to understand the hate speech, and massacres again exploded as a result of the increased hatred and animosity. At the end of October, thousands had been killed by these ethnic cleansings. In addition, it was clear that there was regional governmental involvement in these ethnic cleansings. Despite this, the federal government was clearly fighting the OLF with heavy sustained civilian casualties and human rights abuses. Oromos felt over-policed and criminalized, and Amharas felt under threat of genocide at any given moment. Abiy claims that TPLF-loyalists, in coordination with regional governments and OLF are committing these massacres, arming groups and providing intelligence. TPLF claims that Abiy is either allowing these to happen to justify an increase in security presence and martial law, or commiting them himself to ethnically cleanse Oromo Region and other regions from minorities.
After holding their regional elections, TPLF (surprise, surprise) wins by a landslide. There are reports of opposition parties being impeded from entering, such as the Tigrayan opposition party ARENA. This allowed TPLF to only run against secessionist political parties and present itself as the only "moderate" option for Tigray. Many dispute this, though, claiming that these other opposition parties just didn't do their paperwork correctly. This election constitutes the ramp-up of escalatory language, threats, and actions that lead to the 2020 Tigray Crisis. I don't want to get into the Tigray Crisis itself, as reports are unverified by independent media and both sides have presented clear incentives and means of producing propaganda.
In summary, Ethiopia is an incredibly complicated multinational democracy that grew from the corpse of ancient empires to become what it is today. It's formation process created centuries-old evolving ethnic relations/tensions and a political struggle over centralization vs. regional autonomy. Reducing the narrative to "those darn Africans with their petty ethnic hatred" is doing injustice to real struggles some of the most marginalzed people in the world have faced. This war should be considered a warning to multi-ethnic democracies everywhere about the importance of well-handled transitions of power, national reconciliations following tumult, the power that identity and ethnicity play in politics, and social media as a polarizing force that can stoke the flames of already-existing divisions.
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2020.11.24 16:37 greenandgreener 31 [F4M] [relationship] Anywhere - Looking for a lifelong, conservative relationship

  1. Wish you were here. I wanted to talk about Qantas airways.
  2. I just started watching Fargo. The second season. I looked up the cast of the show before I started watching it. Kristen Dunst is in it. When I was younger I heard people making fun of Dunst's teeth. I felt really bad for her. In an interview she did in 2019 she told the reporter that she was asked by some producers to have her teeth fixed, but she refused. Though she probably had dental work done at some point because her teeth do not look the same as before. I wondered what would have happened if she never had it done. And why can't we even accept an actress with "imperfect" teeth. David Bowie also had crooked teeth which he later fixed. I have heard many people claiming that his teeth did not bother them. I wondered if they would have said the same if it is just some random person with crooked teeth. I would be sad if their logic went like, the more talented a person is, the more crooked their teeth I could accept. My friend had a car accident in London some years ago and that messed something up. I am sure some men would have chosen to leave but hers did not. Her husband did not tell her to fix anything. A side note, fixing and repairing, in a relationship, are some essential skills. I do not want to be with someone who constantly thinks about jumping ship. Though we all know that some mistakes are simply beyond repair. "Would it be so bad if I slept with this girl, only once, behind my wife's back?" Yes, it would be over. I would like to find someone who not just likes the beginning of things but also the things after that. Someone who I could share both the best and the worst years of my life with. And, you know, someone to watch Fargo with.
What I am looking for -
Short version (there is a long version, with explanation, follows) -
A single, monogamous, adult man who is looking for a lifelong relationship, has time to be in a committed relationship, will become my best friend, is in shape/ not too out of shape, is reasonably healthy, is mentally healthy and stable/ mentally unhealthy and unstable but has been monitoring the progress, mentally available, is a meat eater, is a non smoke rarely smoke, is a non drinke social drinker, is a non drug addict (weed is fine), is a non gambling addict, is a non porn addict, is a virgin/ non virgin but was always responsible to their exes (always wore condoms and never had STDs), is okay with no cohabitation, is okay with no premarital sex, is not into anything kinky, wants kids (biological kids/ adopted kids), is okay with your spouse not taking birth control pills, is okay with your spouse not wearing an IUD, is debt free/ with justifiable debt, is religious/ non religious, is eligible to apply for a passport (and meet each other)
If you do not agree with everything I said above then we are not compatible. “I agreed with most of the things you said.” What does that even mean? I have had enough messages telling me that they do not entirely agree with what I said but would like to see where things go. The answer is nowhere. I do not have time nor do I want to build a castle on sand. I also have had enough messages telling me to reconsider things. I won't.
What I like -
Sun
Snow
Trees
Woodworking
Agriculture
Plants
Good food
Hot food
Hot soup
Warm words
Laughing
Wool yarn
Wool clothing
Names with stories, say like, street names
Dining wares
Trains
Photography
Old stories - old movies and shows
Good stories - movies, shows and documentaries, books, music with good lyrics
Good arts
Thrift stores
Flea markets
What I am looking for - Long version -
A strictly monogamous relationship that is happy, healthy, supportive, and lasts forever. I am not looking for dick pictures, chat buddies, dirty chat buddies, hookups, love affairs, friends, friends with benefits, sugar daddies, sugar uncles, sugar sons, rebound dating, short-term dating, several years dating, polyamorous, open, or online-only relationships.
Communication - I would make time to talk to my SO every day, and very much prefer so, even just to hear that they are safe and sound. But I would be understanding if they are out in Antarctica and the satellite Internet at the work station does not always work properly, or something like that. I would like to deal with all the hardships in life together as a team. Having arguments in a relationship is somewhat unavoidable. I like straightening things out, right away, in a logical, non violent, and non abusive way. I apologize when I make mistakes. Giving silent treatment is really not my thing. I am not saying that I do not have a temper. I do. I do get angry, but within reason. Keeping promises and being punctual are important to me.
Mental health - The amount of toxicity I could take is arguably higher than average, but please alert me if you are struggling mentally. On a side note, I hope you do not like watching porn. It is a poor choice, and is both physically and psychologically damaging. I am not asking everyone of you to agree with me on this, or any other things I say in this post. Whatever floats your boat, strangers; just let me have the freedom to find whatever I am looking for.
Distance - I am not looking for an online marriage. You could join me here. Or I could go there. A solid plan with solid dates would be needed. Future faking is a fucked up thing to do to another person. If you need nude pictures, phone sex or Skype sex to make a long distance relationship works, I am not the person you are looking for.
Meeting for the first time - I have given this a lot of thoughts, still I do not really know when and where would be good to meet up. We could meet either before we go into a relationship or after. It would probably be fairer for us to fly to a foreign place to meet, it means we would have to trust each other enough to do that. In that case it would make more sense to meet after the relationship has already been established. I think it is doable to fall for someone just by talking. Though I am aware that people are often not who they claimed they are. Those who say they are loyal could be experienced cheaters. But we will see. When in doubt, I ask questions.
Marriage - I have never been married but I would like to get married. The last thing I want is a divorce. The word marriage has sort of become a dirty word now but I am old fashioned. I like relationship labels, and I hope you are the same. A side note, I'm not into having a big wedding. Or a diamond ring. Or to dress fancy for a pre-wedding shoot. The National Gallery of Art has three self portraits of a Hungarian photographer and his wife. I would like to have a wedding like theirs. Which means I would just like to hang out with my SO somewhere, take some pictures ourselves, and call it a wedding. If you never had a proper family, fear not, we would have one on our own. However, having a toxic childhood should not be an excuse for exhibiting toxic behaviors. I would never set myself on fire to keep you warm. It would not help.
Sex - It would be too intimidating if you have had unsafe sex, a lot of sex, or many sexual partners in the past. Premarital sex is off the table. People make fun of those who have never had sex, which I do not get; I do not care and even would very much prefer that, because I would not have to grieve over your past. But, then again, grieving is a part of life. It is alright if you are not a virgin, just do not lie to me about your sexual past. I do not really have a sex drive. Mentally speaking, I would be okay if you never wanted to have sex, I would also be okay if you wanted to have a lot of sex. Because I do not specifically crave for sex; I crave for love. In other word, I count all types of affection as a whole, and sex does not specifically stand out from all the rest. Physically speaking, I would not be compatible with those who have a high sex drive, as I think overindulgence in sex is destructive. Also, I would not be compatible with those who are into kinky sex/ filming sex tapes. There is nothing wrong with those, they are just not my thing. I think having boundaries in bed does not mean I do not love them, or love them less than those who have no boundaries. I would never take birth control pills/ wear an IUD, because they have many side effects that I do not want to deal with. Respect my choices.
Kids - I do not have kids. But I would like to raise kids. Ask yourself, honestly, if you are mature enough, and ready to be a father. "But I am not ready, just yet; there are things I want to achieve before I become a father." Find someone younger, then. I would like to add that I have no reason to doubt my fertility as I take reasonably good care of myself. I have no, and never had any, chronic diseases or illnesses. Am at a healthy weight, somewhat slim even. 5 feet 7 inches tall. In the event that I was infertile, surrogacy would not be an option. It goes against my morals. So, again, think twice. I would like to raise adopted kids, and treat them like they are my biological kids. I would not dump my husband if, he was found to be infertile at any point of the marriage. Technically I would be fine if you do not want to raise kids at all, but providing a home for some orphans is something I could do, and I do not want to pass that on.
Living together - I have always, and still am against the idea of living together before marriage. There is nothing wrong with cohabitation, it is just again not my thing. I would gladly introduce my roommate when I was in school to you if you are worried that I have some weird quirks. I might or might not bribe her before I introduce her to you.
Money - I am not rich, and was not born rich, but I have no debts. Never had debts. I am aware that some debts are justifiable, like student loan. I worked in the academia. I just started doing something new, related to my field of study, and that makes me happy. Whether you are a postdoc, or a high school drop out, makes no difference to me. For those who think that throwing me a sentence like “I am a lawyer” would be enough to make me talk, have some self respect. I am fine with my Reddit inbox collects only dust.
Religion - I suppose I have always been mostly an agnostic. My parents sent me to a Christian middle school, then a Christian high school. It would be great if you are a God believer and do not mind me being a non religious person. We could read Bible together. It would also be great if you are a non religious person but follow traditional values.
Smoking, drinking and doing drugs - I do not smoke cigarettes. Or vape. Or whatever. I do not do soft/ hard drugs. Have no past addictions. I do not take over-the-counter drugs even. I do not drink alcohol. If you drink responsibly, then I do not have a problem with that.
Dietary choices - I am an omnivore. Have no food allergies. Please be a meat eater. I do not want to get into an argument with you over a tuna egg sandwich I make for our kids. I would not raise my kids vegan. They should be able to make their own choices when they are old enough. I like cooking quite a bit. Would learn to cook all your favorite dishes.
Pets - I do not have any pets.
Gaming - I do not gamble. I have never played any video or computer games. Game soundtracks though I do often pay attention to.
Tattoos - Sure, why not?
Earrings - Why not? I would buy you earrings.
Long hair - Why not? I would braid your hair when you are asleep, though.
Politics - I am against communism, and totalitarianism. Trump 2020. Please read my reddit history.
P.S. This is Reddit, a wonderful yet utterly dangerous place, strangers. Especially for women. So many people prey on the weak. Even scammers would tell you that “you are everything I have been looking for since forever”. Canned messages are easy to spot, because I am smarter than you imagined. There were people who messaged me from throwaway accounts, which I noticed later filled with porn posts. Accounts with no post history are fishy. Anyhow at some point let's do a photo verification. Maybe we could take a selfie while holding a piece of paper with something like "Today's February 33 1920" written on it. Thank you all for sending me a selfie right off the bat. But I do not trust you enough to click on it. Also please do not ask me to talk to you over the phone/ do a video chat with you right off the bat. If you absolutely do not know what to write, check out "pinned post II", there's a list of 30 questions.
TL;DR - I am a non religious person who holds traditional values and beliefs, which for obvious reasons give me a hard time these days. If you see this post, message me, no matter when.
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2020.11.24 12:45 General1Holder Oregon Intervention

Subject: Oregon Intervention
From: Ty S - Oregonian
Date: 24 Nov 2020
To: the new Biden Administration Attention - the honorable Cedric Richmond Senior Advisor to the President
Greetings elected officials, diplomats, and honorable people,
Last time I wrote my elected officials it was under a circumstance of distress. I'm pleased to say that my experience with that situation was resolved with the help and assistance of some good people in public service. I dont write these letters often because Im often not feeling up to putting the kind of energy it requires to express the situation in terms that are solution oriented. But I seek solution oriented strategies often to remedy strife and stress that people in my community live with. It appears to be a time once again to update on the latest issue that we need serious intervention.
My name is Ty S I live in Portland Oregon with my wife and son. The experiences as a high school student was quintessential to a Black man growing up in Oregon but my story is unorthodox. My trajectory in education was similar to phil knight of nike as I share two of the four schools he attended: Cleveland High and U of O. So Im as Oregon as the swoosh, Powells, and the Rudolph sign. Politics is my life mostly having been involved in the Oregon students of color coalition and OSA in 2004 and Urban League in 2009 before going on to serve in the Oregon Health Authorities Transformation Center and the Oregon Advocacy Commissions. I'm particularly proud of my community organizing in the between 2004-2016 which includes electing Obama, helping Black Activist run for office, and building a grassroots community health worker project called We Are Health Movement. Once Trump came to power things changed dramatically for the worse in Oregon. Nearly all of my activism ended as a powerful racist insurgency became more visibly violent and threatening to the Black community.
Events of Portland Oregon 2020 require intense analysis. Im not a total alarmist about our situation like our media has gaslit and painted Oregon as a place on fire with leftist anarchists extremists. Please recognize that intervention can only be settled diplomatically at this point. We have lived and walked and witnessed a very violent escalation since 2016. Look at the evidence of tracking hate crimes in our state https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map?year=2016&state=OR . We should not be on this list. We have such a small populations of minorities including Black, Hispanic, Asian and Native populations and the many immigrant cultures are very small in overall numbers. The story behind these hate crimes is a way more then just isolated incidents there is a large scale and spreading networks of organizations that only purpose is to antagonize, disrupts, hate, punish and resort to violent intimidation and terrorism.
Hate groups in Oregon have dramatically grown in the last four years and as a political, social, and defensive response people have responded in a counter activity to keep those movements from growing further and pledge to end their reign of terror. It started in mid 2016 when Jeremy Christian a pre-radicalized activist with the Proud Boys murdered in 2 people on the Max Transit system (which is like our rail car). Jeremy Christian is part a new movement of internet organizers that have particularly recruited young white men to organizations like the oath keepers, 3 percenters, and inspired by the Bundy occupation movement of 2016. They are living in the shadows of Waco movement. Out west they love that shit and 2016 opened the door for growth of these right wing extremism. Oregon responded initially in Portland by counter protesting against the groups that would gather in various parts of the city including on the Federal freeway 213, Downtowns Terry Shrunk Plaza, and Tom Macall Park.
Each of the events in the summer of 2016 organized by violent right wing extremists involved heavy confrontation from counter protesters. This included verbal, physical, and organized violence. This was warfare in a small scale. But many things escalated. This history must include a contextualization of the types of organizations that began to sprout and grow on the opposition which I will categorize as the organized left until I describe it more fully. In Portland initially the ecumenical faith community, the non-profit activists, labor, and a variety of socialist organizations. Some of this coalition of organizations had previously collaborated against neoNazis in the 80s as resistance to hate before. The events of Jeremy Christian galvanized a large scale opposition that sought to resist racialized terrorism of that kind in our community. As events and confrontations continued to persist summer after summer after summer we are now where we are today. As the events continued the city of Portland often utilized the Portland Police Bureau as a referee of sorts to prevent wide scale violence. But there were many instances where people of Portland felt that Portland Police were more favorably protecting the right wing groups more and more the activists involved from the left lost favor with the city government, Police leadership and elected such as Ted Wheeler. The impasse really escalated between the city representatives and diplomats in political actions, contract negotiations for the police union contracted are included as a source of the strain and political tensions escalating.
The summer of 2020 was by far the most chaotic situation because the global movement for justice for George Floyd and Briana Taylor tied with Oregons #BLM picked up a new confrontation with the Police and state officers in downtown Portland. Oregon activists like many other states have been fighting for justice for many unarmed black men and women and those with mental illness shot and killed by the Portland, Vancouver, and Gresham police. Local movements converged it was a mashing of black activism in a new generation of young and emerging people for Black Lives with the Oregon defenders and anti fascists who had basically been in battle with right wing extremists continuously for 4 years. The combination produced energy seen no where else in the country. The City saw had over 130 days of continuous protest in a call for anti racism, justice for police murders, and anti capitalism oppression. Now I do not need to detail all of these events and how they were organized and what happened between the night to night. I do know that a lot has happened and most documenting and historicizing these events can tell that story. My purpose today is explain that there is a diplomatic intervention needed. We are desperate in this city for a focus of attention that doesn't involve us looking down the dark hole of a barrel.
There needs to be a peace tribunal set up in our city (similar to south africa). The need is so great out here. No convening, No conversations, Nothing seems to be working. Please help us out here and we don't need photo ops, only real commitment and work can solve anything we got out here. The pain is deep and the grievances are so numerous that our community might not heal for a generation.
We need peace in this city. We need peace. Peace between police and protesters and between the right wingers. There are some clear changes needed. Here are my suggestions that will give people a part of power.
Total and complete overhaul of the law enforcement in this country in the first step we must examine. The Portland Police contract needs a total revamp. All of there leadership needs to be changed. There is a certain segment of Portland that wont setter for less. The many proposals by thousands of activist in portland none of which has happened in the more then 4 years of advocacy: https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2020/06/09/28519183/all-of-the-... We need to accelerate these changes locally and nation wide. We are not an outlier here it is part and parcel of similar movements that started in Furgeson.
Even if you or your office got involved and moved the needle on any of these issues Portland still will need to grapple with its right wing violent extremism problem, because it is growing out of control with reports of continuous recruitment in the suburbarbs and nationwide show this. Oregon is the theater of a national program targeting this state as battle ground for the clash of extreme ideologies. What should we do about that? Well my feel is that its not important to most law enforcement or it really feels like it. The law cant really keep up with the type of warfare that is just as much virtual as it is physically in the streets. It will have to be part of a robust strategic initiative on a large scale organized nationally coordinated and well resourced. No longer can cities afford to build volunteer resistances to hate groups. There needs to be a common societal agreement on this in a new contract of acceptance of what is right and wrong in our communities. It is appropriate but it will also need alternative opportunities to get people out of those groups.
Violence is not ended here and we expect next year will be worse then this one and we live in fear for our lives. Black people in particular fear that violence is eminent in any outing, they must use precautions to protect themselves in this kind of violent political and social environment because your skin tone and or your social status is often the determinant factor. Hate crimes need national attention to end. We need a nation wide movement to end racism. Many of the right wing extremists are entrenched in their ideology and need an counter narrative that is stronger to inject alternative perspectives. But it might be too late for that here in Oregon we are at the point where violence and counter violence are yearly occurrences and it becomes a matter of desperation to even reach out to the federal government for help and support.
Oregon is my home that I spent most this year has required a high level of alertness and protection of my home and family. This is the first year we have seriously discussed leaving the United States because really feel unsafe for us to live here and thrive.
I hope this country can do something about our situation with both Policing and Hate before we dissolve into non stop tribal warfare and violence. This call to action and support will go to the high courts of international conflict.
Please help me forward this letter to leaders of every civil society.
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2020.11.24 12:37 greenandgreener 31 [F4M] Anywhere - Looking for a lifelong, conservative relationship

  1. Wish you were here. I wanted to talk about Qantas airways.
  2. I just started watching Fargo. The second season. I looked up the cast of the show before I started watching it. Kristen Dunst is in it. When I was younger I heard people making fun of Dunst's teeth. I felt really bad for her. In an interview she did in 2019 she told the reporter that she was asked by some producers to have her teeth fixed, but she refused. Though she probably had dental work done at some point because her teeth do not look the same as before. I wondered what would have happened if she never had it done. And why can't we even accept an actress with "imperfect" teeth. David Bowie also had crooked teeth which he later fixed. I have heard many people claiming that his teeth did not bother them. I wondered if they would have said the same if it is just some random person with crooked teeth. I would be sad if their logic went like, the more talented a person is, the more crooked their teeth I could accept. My friend had a car accident in London some years ago and that messed something up. I am sure some men would have chosen to leave but hers did not. Her husband did not tell her to fix anything. A side note, fixing and repairing, in a relationship, are some essential skills. I do not want to be with someone who constantly thinks about jumping ship. Though we all know that some mistakes are simply beyond repair. "Would it be so bad if I slept with this girl, only once, behind my wife's back?" Yes, it would be over. I would like to find someone who not just likes the beginning of things but also the things after that. Someone who I could share both the best and the worst years of my life with. And, you know, someone to watch Fargo with.
What I am looking for -
Short version (there is a long version, with explanation, follows) -
A single, monogamous, adult man who is looking for a lifelong relationship, has time to be in a committed relationship, will become my best friend, is in shape/ not too out of shape, is reasonably healthy, is mentally healthy and stable/ mentally unhealthy and unstable but has been monitoring the progress, mentally available, is a meat eater, is a non smoke rarely smoke, is a non drinke social drinker, is a non drug addict (weed is fine), is a non gambling addict, is a non porn addict, is a virgin/ non virgin but was always responsible to their exes (always wore condoms and never had STDs), is okay with no cohabitation, is okay with no premarital sex, is not into anything kinky, wants kids (biological kids/ adopted kids), is okay with your spouse not taking birth control pills, is okay with your spouse not wearing an IUD, is debt free/ with justifiable debt, is religious/ non religious, is eligible to apply for a passport (and meet each other)
If you do not agree with everything I said above then we are not compatible. “I agreed with most of the things you said.” What does that even mean? I have had enough messages telling me that they do not entirely agree with what I said but would like to see where things go. The answer is nowhere. I do not have time nor do I want to build a castle on sand. I also have had enough messages telling me to reconsider things. I won't.
What I like -
Sun
Snow
Trees
Woodworking
Agriculture
Plants
Good food
Hot food
Hot soup
Warm words
Laughing
Wool yarn
Wool clothing
Names with stories, say like, street names
Dining wares
Trains
Photography
Old stories - old movies and shows
Good stories - movies, shows and documentaries, books, music with good lyrics
Good arts
Thrift stores
Flea markets
What I am looking for - Long version -
A strictly monogamous relationship that is happy, healthy, supportive, and lasts forever. I am not looking for dick pictures, chat buddies, dirty chat buddies, hookups, love affairs, friends, friends with benefits, sugar daddies, sugar uncles, sugar sons, rebound dating, short-term dating, several years dating, polyamorous, open, or online-only relationships.
Communication - I would make time to talk to my SO every day, and very much prefer so, even just to hear that they are safe and sound. But I would be understanding if they are out in Antarctica and the satellite Internet at the work station does not always work properly, or something like that. I would like to deal with all the hardships in life together as a team. Having arguments in a relationship is somewhat unavoidable. I like straightening things out, right away, in a logical, non violent, and non abusive way. I apologize when I make mistakes. Giving silent treatment is really not my thing. I am not saying that I do not have a temper. I do. I do get angry, but within reason. Keeping promises and being punctual are important to me.
Mental health - The amount of toxicity I could take is arguably higher than average, but please alert me if you are struggling mentally. On a side note, I hope you do not like watching porn. It is a poor choice, and is both physically and psychologically damaging. I am not asking everyone of you to agree with me on this, or any other things I say in this post. Whatever floats your boat, strangers; just let me have the freedom to find whatever I am looking for.
Distance - I am not looking for an online marriage. You could join me here. Or I could go there. A solid plan with solid dates would be needed. Future faking is a fucked up thing to do to another person. If you need nude pictures, phone sex or Skype sex to make a long distance relationship works, I am not the person you are looking for.
Meeting for the first time - I have given this a lot of thoughts, still I do not really know when and where would be good to meet up. We could meet either before we go into a relationship or after. It would probably be fairer for us to fly to a foreign place to meet, it means we would have to trust each other enough to do that. In that case it would make more sense to meet after the relationship has already been established. I think it is doable to fall for someone just by talking. Though I am aware that people are often not who they claimed they are. Those who say they are loyal could be experienced cheaters. But we will see. When in doubt, I ask questions.
Marriage - I have never been married but I would like to get married. The last thing I want is a divorce. The word marriage has sort of become a dirty word now but I am old fashioned. I like relationship labels, and I hope you are the same. A side note, I'm not into having a big wedding. Or a diamond ring. Or to dress fancy for a pre-wedding shoot. The National Gallery of Art has three self portraits of a Hungarian photographer and his wife. I would like to have a wedding like theirs. Which means I would just like to hang out with my SO somewhere, take some pictures ourselves, and call it a wedding. If you never had a proper family, fear not, we would have one on our own. However, having a toxic childhood should not be an excuse for exhibiting toxic behaviors. I would never set myself on fire to keep you warm. It would not help.
Sex - It would be too intimidating if you have had unsafe sex, a lot of sex, or many sexual partners in the past. Premarital sex is off the table. People make fun of those who have never had sex, which I do not get; I do not care and even would very much prefer that, because I would not have to grieve over your past. But, then again, grieving is a part of life. It is alright if you are not a virgin, just do not lie to me about your sexual past. I do not really have a sex drive. Mentally speaking, I would be okay if you never wanted to have sex, I would also be okay if you wanted to have a lot of sex. Because I do not specifically crave for sex; I crave for love. In other word, I count all types of affection as a whole, and sex does not specifically stand out from all the rest. Physically speaking, I would not be compatible with those who have a high sex drive, as I think overindulgence in sex is destructive. Also, I would not be compatible with those who are into kinky sex/ filming sex tapes. There is nothing wrong with those, they are just not my thing. I think having boundaries in bed does not mean I do not love them, or love them less than those who have no boundaries. I would never take birth control pills/ wear an IUD, because they have many side effects that I do not want to deal with. Respect my choices.
Kids - I do not have kids. But I would like to raise kids. Ask yourself, honestly, if you are mature enough, and ready to be a father. "But I am not ready, just yet; there are things I want to achieve before I become a father." Find someone younger, then. I would like to add that I have no reason to doubt my fertility as I take reasonably good care of myself. I have no, and never had any, chronic diseases or illnesses. Am at a healthy weight, somewhat slim even. 5 feet 7 inches tall. In the event that I was infertile, surrogacy would not be an option. It goes against my morals. So, again, think twice. I would like to raise adopted kids, and treat them like they are my biological kids. I would not dump my husband if, he was found to be infertile at any point of the marriage. Technically I would be fine if you do not want to raise kids at all, but providing a home for some orphans is something I could do, and I do not want to pass that on.
Living together - I have always, and still am against the idea of living together before marriage. There is nothing wrong with cohabitation, it is just again not my thing. I would gladly introduce my roommate when I was in school to you if you are worried that I have some weird quirks. I might or might not bribe her before I introduce her to you.
Money - I am not rich, and was not born rich, but I have no debts. Never had debts. I am aware that some debts are justifiable, like student loan. I worked in the academia. I just started doing something new, related to my field of study, and that makes me happy. Whether you are a postdoc, or a high school drop out, makes no difference to me. For those who think that throwing me a sentence like “I am a lawyer” would be enough to make me talk, have some self respect. I am fine with my Reddit inbox collects only dust.
Religion - I suppose I have always been mostly an agnostic. My parents sent me to a Christian middle school, then a Christian high school. It would be great if you are a God believer and do not mind me being a non religious person. We could read Bible together. It would also be great if you are a non religious person but follow traditional values.
Smoking, drinking and doing drugs - I do not smoke cigarettes. Or vape. Or whatever. I do not do soft/ hard drugs. Have no past addictions. I do not take over-the-counter drugs even. I do not drink alcohol. If you drink responsibly, then I do not have a problem with that.
Dietary choices - I am an omnivore. Have no food allergies. Please be a meat eater. I do not want to get into an argument with you over a tuna egg sandwich I make for our kids. I would not raise my kids vegan. They should be able to make their own choices when they are old enough. I like cooking quite a bit. Would learn to cook all your favorite dishes.
Pets - I do not have any pets.
Gaming - I do not gamble. I have never played any video or computer games. Game soundtracks though I do often pay attention to.
Tattoos - Sure, why not?
Earrings - Why not? I would buy you earrings.
Long hair - Why not? I would braid your hair when you are asleep, though.
Politics - I am against communism, and totalitarianism. Trump 2020. Please read my reddit history.
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2020.11.24 11:30 jw_mentions /r/QAnonCasualties - "What happens to Q after Donald Trump doesn't fulfill his mission?"

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Submission What happens to Q after Donald Trump doesn't fulfill his mission?
Comments What happens to Q after Donald Trump doesn't fulfill his mission?
Author rabbri
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So when Top Q Donald Trump leaves office, and the supposed Deep State/Hollywood pedophilia ring isn't exposed and broken up, and Tom Hanks, Bill Clinton, Lady Gaga and Barack Obama are not hanging in the gallows for their crimes... What happens to the Q followers? Do they keep going with this insane mission? Do they finally wake up and conclude that they've been following a falsehood? Do they believe that Trump will still do all this, albeit as a citizen?
I've personally lost friends over their cultish following of Q, as if they were part of Trump's holy army to vanquish evil. I have to wonder what happens once Trump leaves office and all of these things never occur.

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Author caraperdida
Posted On Tue Nov 24 22:24:25 UTC 2020
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This is based on the 2-witness rule that requires any sexual misconduct to have 2 witnesses to the crime. They don't report anything to authorities - even claims of child molestation and abuse - because "we are no part of this world."
The 2017 tv special Cults and Extreme Beliefs interviewed an ex-JW who talked about being sexually abused as a child born into the cult. Her story was truly horrific.
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Author Christwriter
Posted On Tue Nov 24 08:21:42 UTC 2020
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See: The Millerites Geeat Disappointment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment
To paraphrase/TLDR: William Miller decided that he was a prophet and that Jesus would return in 1843, specifically between March 21st '43 and March 21st '44. His followers literally stood on hilltops in white robes waiting for the Second Coming. Obviously this did not happen. So Miller said "My bad. I meant April 18th, 1844." Obviously, it did not happen either. Then, to his credit, Miller said that he was wrong and while he still believed the Second Coming was immanent, people probably should not listen to him.
A lot of his followers went home feeling silly. Some of them did not. One group congregated around a group of leaders, one of whom was a woman named Ellen Gould Harmon, later on as Ellen G. White. They spent a generous amount of time twisting theology into pretzels and what they came up with was the Seventh Day Adventists, who are a fairly legalistic Christian sect notable for having their "sabbath" meetings on Saturday (cool) because Sunday worship is literally the Mark of the Beast, and any church who has Sunday worship is the Woman Who Rides The Beast AKA the whore of babylon (...yeah.) The SDA's tend to form splinter groups the way a human forms kidney stones. One such splinter group was first known as the Branch, and then the Branch-Davidians. Yes. Those Branch Davidians. Who were fairly nutty even before a drifter with pedophilic tendencies joined the group and changed his name from Vernon Howell to David Koresh. Basically the Davidians had a long history dating back to William Miller of accepting the word of questionable prophets, though to cut them a small amount of slack, their leadership choices were Vernon, or the guy who was even more homicidally insane than Vernon (aka George Rodan)
Another person deeply influenced by Miller's teachings and the Millerites was a man named Charles Taze Russel, who went on to found the Bible Student Movement and the Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society. If you follow cults and weird religious movements in America there is a very good reason why that last name gave you the cold shudders: Yes. It's That Watchtower. After Russel died a man named Joseph Franklin Rutherford took over after a power struggle, and among many other changes he had the group change its name to Jehovah's Witnesses. Obviously, theJWs still exist today. Where they differ from the SDAs (aside from various theological points) is the hideous amount of control theJWs practice on their followers, which includes their famous stance on blood transfusions and the less-well-known, but still devastating practice of disfellowshipping and shunning dissenting believers. Their belief in an immanent apocalypse has been destroying lives for generations and while the machine is beginning to slow, it's not showing any time of stopping just yet.
My point? Some people are going to wake up from Q and realize they've been had. It won't be a lot at first, and probably won't be very many at all. But the majority of the Qanon believers will be desperate for some kind of leadership so they can avoid having to admit that they traded their self identity, sanity, and relationships for a lie someone invented on a message board. There will be at least one person, and probably multiple people ready to catch Qanon believers rocked by their own Great Disappointment. This will not be good for those true Believers or their families. If past events are anything to go by, the next wave for Qanon will be a sort of out-of-the-frying-pan-into-the-fire in terms of paranoia and magical thinking, and former Q-believers will be at high risk of falling for the kind of silver-tongued sociopaths who made Jonestown and the Waco siege possible. I'm fascinated by this subject and I've never seen one of these groups transition from slightly paranoid to puppy dogs and rainbows.
TLDR: Q itself will probably die the way the Millerite movement did. But Q followers are going to be a fairly ripe harvest for the next con-man or troll willing to play to both their paranoia and the sunk-cost fallacy that keeps the majority of cult followers penned in. And what follows Q is probably going to be a whole lot worse for everybody involved.
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Author Entropy_5
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Also if you're interested there is a subreddit called /exjw
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Author Thatxygirl
Posted On Tue Nov 24 05:43:44 UTC 2020
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The United States has a strong history of Protestant doomsday’s sects pledging to know the end of the world, projecting the exact date, Jehovah’s Witnesses being one of the most famous extant example (with millions of faithful today).
Being factually incorrect despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary hasn’t stopped them yet.
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Author KezaBoo
Posted On Tue Nov 24 17:53:41 UTC 2020
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JW's meet all the markers of a cult.
They always defended themselves saying that they don't have one leader, but the 12 (all male) members of the governing body stand in for that one leader. JW's are infamous for love-bombing at the beginning of an "interested person's" journey, followed by isolating members from their "worldly" friends and family. "Bad associations spoil useful habits!" This isolation is key to motivate members to stay in "the truth" because if you do wrong, you will then be fully shunned by your spiritual family, leaving you with no one to turn to.
Members are constantly harangued for "contributions" though they stop short of passing around a collection during meetings. "For god loves a cheerful giver!" Recently this has ramped up with members obliged to pay what amounts to entry fees for assemblies.
The wbts (watchtower, bible and tract society) are meanwhile sitting on literally billions of dollars of real estate - they recently sold their prime Brooklyn property to - guess who - Kushner Companies - for 340 million.
Sexual predation goes unpunished within the Borg (the bible organization, as ex-jw's are fond of referring to it as). This is based on the 2-witness rule that requires any sexual misconduct to have 2 witnesses to the crime. They don't report anything to authorities - even claims of child molestation and abuse - because "we are no part of this world."
The borg have been making end-of-world predictions and engaging in prophecy since they were founded by ex-7th day adventist Charles Taze Russel in the 1800's. The biggest mistake they made came when they predicted that 1975 would signal the start of armageddon. Witnesses ("witlesses") were encouraged to sell property, not proceed to higher education and spend all their time preaching the good news. After 1975 came and went, threeJW's lost loads of members. The wbts got around this with their "the light gets brighter" concept, whereby men cannot know the inner workings of God and anything we do is an interpretation, but the governing body are the only ones able to interpret so we should all just trust them when they say we're in the time of the end. God continues to reveal his light to selected members.
They engage in fear of outsiders and past members, marking all those who have left as worse then those who have not yet been saved. There are two official ways to leave theJW's alive. Disfellowshipping (ostracizing/shunning an "unrepentant sinner") wholesale, or disassociating (someone who hasn't sinned but walks away of their own volition). The safest way is the fade, or as some people call it - PIMO (physically in, mentally out). All those who leave who then go on to denounce their former beliefs are called apostates and are shunned by friends, family, everyone.
TheJW's don't allow critical thinking of their own beliefs, while subjecting all other religions to rigorous scrutiny.
You also might have noticed that there is a singular language to JW beliefs. Terminology that is unique to their cult.
Anyways. I'm here out of curiosity because of the similarities I see betweenJW's and Q.
Take the long game with your q people. My mom just finally revealed she was PIMO last year, and I've been out for 16 years sowing seeds of doubt in her.
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Author JW_Skeptic
Posted On Tue Nov 24 17:27:59 UTC 2020
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Another Ex-JW here.JWs meet most of the characteristics of Steven Hassan's B.I.T.E. model. See https://freedomofmind.com/bite-model/ They are a high control group, and if you don't fall in line with their teachings you risk being disfellowshipped (kicked out) and shunned by all JW friends and family.
Also if you're curious check out exjw
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Author WeepingSomnabulist
Posted On Tue Nov 24 13:38:52 UTC 2020
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I hear ya but Jehovah's Witnesses are so far out there I'm not sure they count as Protestant anymore.
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Author Is_this_social_media
Posted On Tue Nov 24 12:59:18 UTC 2020
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Oooo, tell me more about the “ex-JW”. My family converted when I was in my 20s and left home. I often see similarities, but I’m not sure they completely fall into cult status anymore than any other religion. Just curious for your take.
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Author KezaBoo
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Ex-JW here. I recommend looking up anti-process. It's how cult members get around cognitive dissonance. It's also very helpful in understanding why speaking to logic or arguing based on fact doesn't work when people are deep inside their mental armor.
Remember, if someone needs a crutch and you're the one who wants to take it away, you're going to also need to bring along a brand new crutch. Most people don't just go from cult to free-thinking as a matter of course. There's a reason people want to believe what they believe.
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Author Zenmachine83
Posted On Wed Nov 25 06:21:28 UTC 2020
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Nah it’s a cult brah. My grandma was a JW and I have spent many an hour inside a Kingdom Hall listening to their shpiel. It just a cult wrapped in monotheism.
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2020.11.23 20:43 juanteeze The Bucket List of Juan

As a natural free spirit, I’m of the belief that everybody should have a bucket list. I believe it should consist of overcoming fears, achieving once unattainable goals, realizing childhood dreams, taking risks, and doing things that you wouldn’t do under normal circumstances…kind of like having that Magic School Bus Miss Frizzle “take chances, make mistakes, get messy” mentality. Of course, a lot of people won’t agree with that and I think those people are sissies…but that’s just my opinion. For me, I sat down in January of 2013 and identified 75 unique things I want to do before I kick the proverbial bucket. I’ve already completed a few of the following items. I’ll detail those collectively in a future post and the remaining items as I complete them. That written, here is my bucket list as I wrote it in January 2013. Let me know what you think.

  1. Bowl a game of 220 or better. This would be a grand moment considering the best game of my life (166) is more than twice my career average (82.7).
  2. Learn archery. Long before Jennifer Lawrence was picking cats off in The Hunger Games, I’ve always wanted to acquire this skill…for the physical benefits (improved upper body strength, balance, and coordination) and the mental aspects (clear mind and increased focus).
  3. Perform the Argentine Tango with a native Latin American woman in Buenos Aires. Aside from the first dance I’ll have as a married man, this may very well be the defining moment of my life on any dance floor.
  4. Perform the Foxtrot and the Waltz on a date. This is why I secretly took ballroom dance in Tokyo for 3 years…all for that moment to leave a marquee impression. I just hope the lucky lady respects the “lead and follow” rule.
  5. Go sky diving. I’ve always wanted to do it. And considering I know a lot more about parachutes—courtesy of one of my good friends—I don’t have an uneasiness about it anymore.
  6. Go white water rafting. I just want to see what the craze is all about. It’s high risk with the rocks and the drops but I’m sticking to one of the lower grades. I want to complete a bucket list item, not die.
  7. Zipline through the Cloud Forest in Monteverde, Costa Rica. I’ve never been one to be frightened of heights but after a particular incident in Air Force basic military training, I wasn’t really receptive to covering distances end-to-end hanging on a wire. That changed when I ended up by myself in one of the glass bottom Ngong Ping Cable Cars in Hong Kong a few years back. I’ll do a few runs Stateside before I venture down to journey through the clouds.
  8. Visit Red Square. Let’s break it down. A historic city. Saint Basil’s Cathedral. The Kremlin. Lenin’s Mausoleum. The Iberian Gate. Ummm…yeah, for a history freak like myself (I did have a 5.0 GPA in the history division in high school), this is a must.
  9. Learn to say “Hello, my name is Juan” in the native tongue of every nation in the European Union. I’m sure to impress a few of the locals and maybe a few expatriates in doing so.
  10. Visit Cuba. Hopefully, those cats in DC will stop playing politics and get rid of the embargo so I can go and do my 3-day travel thing. But, if not, I don’t have any issues with going as part of a people-to-people exchange. Either that or I’ll give up American citizenship and become a Canuck.
  11. Visit Christ the Redeemer. There is absolutely no way I’ll allow myself to leave Rio de Janeiro without a visit. It’ll definitely be one of my more proud moments as a Christian.
  12. Visit the Great Barrier Reef. No doubt about it, the only way I’ll truly get the maximum value out of that Nikon D90 I dropped a 12-spot on a few years back is to get a shot of this marvelous sight.
  13. Visit The Acropolis of Athens. You don’t just pass up a chance to see one of the most universally-recognized attractions in the world.
  14. Visit The Louvre. I love art museums and I actually visited this one as a teenager. But I was so young back then, still in my “tourist phase”. I didn’t appreciate it. A 2nd go-around is mandatory.
  15. Visit Niagara Falls. C’mon…who doesn’t want to get a picture of Niagara Falls?
  16. Attend the Toronto International Film Festival. I’m a lover of films so it’s no doubt that I’ll land myself in Toronto to attend one. Hey…why not see the hottest film on the block before 99% of the rest of the world does.
  17. Jog end to end and back on the Golden Gate Bridge. Roughly 3 ½ miles…that’s the equivalent of a normal PT run during my Air Force days.
  18. Buy an apple in Pike Place Market. Pretty simple but it carries a lot of meaning.
  19. Visit Disney World. Every kid should experience the thrill of going to “the happiest place on Earth”. I didn’t get that chance in my youth. I’ll get there but I’m likely saving the moment for the 5th birthday of my first-born child.
  20. Wave a flag at an international sporting event. A true fan waves the flag on the biggest stage.
  21. Take a picture of Hong Kong from Victoria Peak. As a fan of skylines and cityscapes, the Hong Kong skyline from The Peak is the holy grail of skylines.
  22. Experience A Symphony of Lights. Once one is done taking that famed picture at The Peak, get down to the Tsim Sha Tsui Promenade along Victoria Harbour at 8pm local and experience one of the best light shows ever.
  23. Make a stained glass window. It’ll make a cool arts and crafts project. Besides, I could potentially create a family heirloom. What’s cooler than that?
  24. Read every book by Charles Dickens. That’s my favorite all-time author. I’ve read all the majors but I’ll read them again and add the lesser knowns too. Heck, I may even buy them all to add to my library.
  25. Watch every movie that has won the Palme d’Or Award in my lifetime. The Golden Palm. The highest prize at the Cannes Film Festival. I’ve only seen 3 of the films released since 1984—Fahrenheit 9/11, Pulp Fiction, and Sex, Lies & Videotape—but my interest in watching the other 26 and possibly more since it is all the winners in my “lifetime” has reached a fever pitch of sorts since my official film festival debut (Toronto International Film Festival, 2013).
  26. Become a better public speaker by joining Toastmasters International. Something I pride myself on is my ability to write well. My ability to write well has translated into me speaking well. I want to become an even better speaker. Eventually, I want to give an oratory address that will move people. Joining Toastmasters will put me in position. After all, their motto is “Become the Speaker & Leader You Want To Be”.
  27. Become a notary public. It’ll probably be the closest to public office that I’ll get…and I get a cool stamp for being one, too.
  28. Meet a Brit soul singer from my Windows Media Player. That’s definitely not an easy one considering that list consists of the following: Sade, Corinne Bailey Rae, Marsha Ambrosius, Leona Lewis, Joss Stone, Ms. Dynamite, and Craig David. Laura Izibor is in there too but technically, she’s Irish.
  29. Meet an MVP or MOP from either of the following: Super Bowl, NBA Finals, World Series, BCS National Championship Game, or Men’s Final Four. It would be extra cool to have an opportunity to converse with the guy about one of the biggest moments in his athletic career.
  30. Make the front page of the newspaper. I’ve been in the newspaper plenty of times…just not on the front. Being on the front page of the newspaper—local or national—is like legendary stuff. Everybody who knows you will probably keep that paper as a keepsake and you’ll have something to tell your grandkids. Hopefully, they won’t get me in under the fold.
  31. Become a CNN Hero. I always said I wanted to make a difference on a global level.
  32. Get an article published in a newspaper or magazine. You think they’re ready for me?
  33. Acquire post-nominal initials. I consider it cool to have initials behind your name…kind of makes you seem like a big deal.
  34. Win NaNoWriMo. 1667 words a day for 30 days in November. That’s it? Well, go ahead and give me my award because 50000 words ain’t nothing to me.
  35. Audition to be an extra in a film. Everybody loves to see their name in the credits. That’s why you see a lot of people stay back at the end of movies.
  36. Drive a Lamborghini or Ferrari. I’m not flashy enough to ever own one of these joints but I’m high-falutin’ enough to rent one for a day.
  37. Leave a valuable contribution in my area of expertise. I left a lot of knowledge, a lot of success secrets, and ideas for future development with those I worked with as I walked away from my military career as a civil engineer. I don’t know if any of that was received and it’s likely that I’ll never know. However, I can use that same drive, that same fire for professional excellence I had as a serviceman in my civilian career and leave a contribution that’ll help advance my industry.
  38. Create a trust fund for my child. I want my kid to have all the things I didn’t get a chance to have. I want my kid to live without the financial struggles I lived with early on.
  39. Find the love of my life. A lifetime of mistakes, bad calls, and heartbreaks undone by a woman whose mere presence holds much significance to my future: how’s that for a love story? Can’t wait to see it in person.
  40. Propose in stunning fashion. The funny thing about this is I already know how it’s going to happen and where it’s going to happen. All that’s left is a lead lady and a period of courtship.
  41. Get married. It’s a prerequisite for a couple of other bucket list items. And I get to kiss somebody’s grown daughter in front of everybody.
  42. Have a child. I want a daughter and we’ll try until I get one. Just kidding…or am I? Seriously, children are a blessing from the Lord and I would love nothing more than to have a healthy, happy child to raise towards being a productive citizen of society. It should be noted that I’m not limiting myself to just one child…just can’t complete this item until I have at least one.
  43. Build a house. Why buy somebody else’s dream home when I can build my own…exactly how I want it.
  44. Catch a wedding garter. I’m willing to bet the moment this happens, the preceding 6 bucket list items will all happen within 3 years.
  45. Go to an Olympic Games. Doesn’t matter if it’s a Summer or Winter Olympiad, I’m going to one in my lifetime. And I’m gonna be there for either the opening ceremony or the closing ceremony.
  46. Attend a national championship game. Being in attendance at college football’s biggest game and seeing the national championship game logo at midfield or feeling the intensity of being in the stands on the biggest Monday in the college basketball season would be a grand moment for me as a sports fan.
  47. Attend a Kansas game at Phog Allen Fieldhouse. 16300 crazy fans rooting for the best team in America. Yep, I’m there. Rock Chalk Jayhawk…Go K-U.
  48. Attend a Packers game at Lambeau Field. It’s like the cathedral for American gridiron football. I need to get an end zone ticket so I can take in the tradition of the players jumping in the stands.
  49. Attend an Ohio State night game at Ohio Stadium. 106000 fans. Script Ohio. A live ESPN Saturday Night Football on ABC broadcast. I’m there.
  50. Attend a match at Wimbledon. It’s like the greatest event in tennis. Hopefully, I’m there when Venus Williams and Rafael Nadal are still good.
  51. Go to Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade. I just want to see the Charlie Brown balloon.
  52. Write a poetry book. I’ve written scores of poems of all kinds in my lifetime and I’ve always thought about releasing them to the public.
  53. Stay in an overwater bungalow in Bora Bora. Can you say honeymoon?
  54. Volunteer in a 3rd world country? Going to a place that’s very much likely to be even worse than the place I grew up in and giving my time to make life just a little bit more comfortable would be a great thing for me in so many facets of life.
  55. Take a picture in front of every Statehouse in America. Completing this one means that I’ll have to step foot into every state capital in the United States. That means I’ll have to one day return to Florida and Louisiana…places I’ve long stayed away from.
  56. Collect a postcard from 100 different cities in 100 different countries. This one is actually going to be easier than I imagined…being that I’m a Postcrosser and all. Oh yeah, I’m not counting the United States of America.
  57. Throw 50 $50 bills from the top of a 50-story building in a city of 1 million residents. How many people you know got $2500 to throw off the top of a building in a large city? I just want to see how the people below will react to money falling from the sky. And who knows…maybe it’ll be an on-time blessing for somebody.
  58. Visit every Major League Baseball ballpark. I’m a huge fan of the game and sitting in attendance in every stadium should be a goal of every fan. Heck, I may do it all in one season.
  59. Attend Game 7 of a championship series. I don’t know if there is any more dramatic finish to a sports season than a Game 7. It’s truly winner take all. The intrigue for me is that it’ll be short notice (1 day for World Series, 2 days for NBA Finals and Stanley Cup Finals). Good thing I got a StubHub account, a trusted travel advisor, and a leisure fund.
  60. Kiss at the top of the London Eye. Every London bloke has this on his list…so should every American guy.
  61. Take a date to a Michelin 3-star restaurant. So you got me, a hot chick who’s probably wearing an LBD, and one of the finest dining establishments on the planet…that’ll be a nice evening out all by itself. It would also be the bookend of the dating experience for me being that my very first date was at the Arby’s next to my job at Domino’s Pizza.
  62. Solve a Rubik’s Cube. I bought one with my first ever paycheck in November 2000 and I still haven’t mastered it. Heck, I still haven’t gotten 2 solid-colored sides yet.
  63. Milk a cow. It looks creepy on TV and I actually think it hurts the cows, even though experts say it doesn’t. It would be an awesome experience though. I’ll even wear a straw hat and coveralls.
  64. Walk the edge of the CN Tower. Yep…I’m gonna be all up on the top of one of the tallest buildings in the world, walking on the edge. That’ll be 102.3 times better than walking on the glass ledge at the Sears Tower.
  65. Attend a FIFA World Cup Final. This is the marquee spectator sport experience. Being there for the championship of the world’s pastime is unmatched by any other sporting event.
  66. Ride on the front row of every rollercoaster at Cedar Point wearing a blindfold. Two summers ago, it was a trip to Kings Dominion that I rode on the front row of The Dominator and just like that, the thrill-seeker in me that had been long dormant was awakened. Now, my eyes are set for a trip to Sandusky, Ohio to take on a dozen rollercoasters that carry a “high” or “aggressive” thrill rating. Doing so with a blindfold on adds to the intrigue.
  67. Tip 300% on a meal $70 or more. I remember the days where I paid exact change on meals. Now, I pay 10% on bad service and at least 20% on all other service. Dropping a tip 3 times the price of the meal would by far be a sign of the best service I’ve ever had. Crazy thing is it might happen the same night I go to that Michelin 3-star restaurant.
  68. Visit the Auschwitz Concentration Camp or the Kigali Genocide Memorial. Horrible, despicable, unimaginable crimes happened in both places…changed entire ethnic groups forever. A history guy like myself would want to see the damage up close and personal…and to pay respects to the lives lost.
  69. Host a foreign exchange student. Personally, I think it would be cool to play host to a student from a foreign country. It would offer me the opportunity to leave an impression at an international level and I can probably make some kid’s experience in America or wherever I’m at a memorable one.
  70. Attend every race of the Triple Crown in the same year. I’ll get to wear my #1 suit to the Kentucky Derby, drink a virgin Black-Eyed Susan at the Preakness Stakes, and listen to the New York theme song at the Belmont Stakes all in a span of 5 weeks. Who knows…I might even see history too.
  71. Fly First Class on an Emirates A380. Imagine a 5-star luxury hotel 35000 miles in the sky, moving at 580 miles per hour…that’s Emirates First Class. You get a private suite with a sliding door, a personal mini-bar, a wardrobe, a fully flat bed with mattress along with on-demand food specially prepared per request, access to an onboard lounge to mingle with other passengers…and it has a shower spa.
  72. Complete a 365 Photography Project. This is a mere test of discipline. I barely got through a 30-day photo challenge on Instagram. A 365-day challenge would be heartbreaking if I got halfway and missed a day. But that’s the intrigue of it.
  73. Swim with stingrays at Stingray City. This is the only reason I’ve come up with for really wanting to go to the Caribbean.
  74. Take up residence in Vancouver, British Columbia. From the first time I visited in 2006, I’ve always been fascinated with the city, the people, and the culture. Oh, and I can’t forget the awesome views along False Creek. At some point in this life, that’s where I’m going to live…or at least have a space where I pay a utility bill. Completion of this bucket list item includes the entire Greater Vancouver Area so setting up shop in the suburbs of Whistler, Richmond, Surrey, or Burnaby would count.
  75. Complete this bucket list. It’s as simple as that.
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2020.11.23 15:49 partypastor Reached People Group of the Week - Koreans of South Korea

Its that time of year again, when we are forced to sit at a table and tell our families things we are thankful for. But what I am thankful for is groups that became reached after thousands of years of being unreached. Today we are doing a rather obvious one, the Koreans. I'm posting this one because South Korea sends the second highest number of missionaries around the world, how awesome is that?? And up until around 1800 they never had access to the Gospel.
How were they reached?
Catholicism was first introduced during the late Joseon Dynasty period by Confucian scholars who encountered it in China. In 1603, Yi Gwang-jeong, Korean diplomat, returned from Beijing carrying several theological books written by Matteo Ricci, an Italian Jesuit missionary to China. He began disseminating the information in the books, and the first seeds of Christianity were sown. In 1758, King Yeongjo of Joseon officially outlawed Catholicism as an "evil practice." Catholicism was reintroduced in 1785 by Yi Seung-hun and since then French and Chinese Catholic priests were invited by the Korean Christians.
Joseon royalty saw the new religion as a subversive influence and persecuted its earliest followers in Korea, culminating in the Catholic Persecution of 1866, in which 8,000 Catholics across the country were killed, including nine French missionary priests. The opening of Korea to the outside world in the late nineteenth century brought religious toleration for the remaining Catholics and also introduced Protestantism via American missionaries, beginning in 1884. The first Protestant church in Korea was established by Seo Sang-ryun and the first Protestant missionary to enter Korea was Horace Newton Allen, both events occurring in 1884. Horace Allen was a North Presbyterian missionary who became an American diplomat. He served in Korea until 1905, by which time he had been joined by many others.
The growth of both denominations was gradual before 1945. In that year, approximately 2% of the population was Christian. Rapid growth ensued after the war, when Korea was freed from Japanese occupation by the Allies: by 1991, 18.4% of the population (8.0 million) was Protestant, and 6.7% (2.5 million) was Catholic. Wikipedia
And then this
The Christian missionaries who arrived in the 1800s and following have contributed much to the health, education, and general well-being of the South Koreans. Christians were vocal in their support of the liberation of the Korean peninsula from imperialist Japan. The establishment of schools, hospitals, orphanages, and universities by the Christians paved the way for the modernization of South Korea. Joshua Project
It is estimated that 30% of Koreans in South Korean are Christian!!
What are they like?
Typical qualification that all people groups can't be summed up in small paragraphs and this is an over generalization.
South Korea boasts Asia's third largest economy. Exports of electronics, automobiles, and machinery allow the country to afford many conveniences of the modern world. High rates of cable and/or satellite television usage and high-speed internet connectivity make South Korean a member of the cutting edge technology users of the world. The country is also credited with pioneering the television via mobile devices and internet revolution.
Distinct regional differences in culture and politics exist among the South Koreans. The most important regional difference is between the Gyeongsang region in the southeast and the Jeolla region in the southwest. The two regions maintain a rivalry that reaches back to the fourth century AD. The rivalry originated from a struggle for control of the peninsula. Interregional marriages are rare and travel between the regions in sparce despite a major highway connecting the regions since 1984. Constructed for the specific reason of increasing interregional travel, the highway has not served to improve visitation or commerce between the regions.
The political power elite have come largely from the Gyeongsang region and, consequently, this region has benefitted most from government development assistance. In contrast, the Jeolla region has remained comparatively rural and undeveloped.
Regional stereotypes, like regional dialects, have been breaking down under the influence of centralized education, nationwide media, and several decades of population movement since the Korean War. Stereotypes remain important in the eyes of many South Koreans however. Each region has its own stereotypical beliefs about the other regions. These beliefs may or may not be based in truth and accuracy. Joshua Project
History Lesson
The Korean Peninsula was inhabited as early as the Lower Paleolithic period. The history of Korea begins with the founding of Joseon (also known as "Gojoseon", or Old Joseon, to differentiate it with the 14th century dynasty) in 2333 BCE by Dangun, according to Korea's foundation mythology. Gojoseon was noted in Chinese records in the early 7th century. Gojoseon expanded until it controlled the northern Korean Peninsula and parts of Manchuria. Gija Joseon was purportedly founded in the 12th century BCE, but its existence and role have been controversial in the modern era. In 108 BCE, the Han dynasty defeated Wiman Joseon and installed four commanderies in the northern Korean peninsula. Three of the commanderies fell or retreated westward within a few decades. As Lelang commandery was destroyed and rebuilt around this time, the place gradually moved toward Liaodong. Thus, its force was diminished and it only served as a trade center until it was conquered by Goguryeo in 313. Wikipedia
What do they believe?
The dominant religions of South Korea are Christianity and Buddhism despite the fact that most of the population express no particular affiliation with a religion. South Korea has the third largest number of professing Christians of all the East Asian and Southeast Asian countries.
There is a great deal of ambiguity in the practice and adherence to the belief systems that exist in South Korea. Many people see religion as an inherited trait as much or more so than a faith. Also, many South Koreans practice elements of several belief systems. Christianity is the only faith that maintains distinct lines between those who belong to the belief system. For the other religions, it can be difficult if not impossible to know who practices what.
The Korean Church has had amazing growth in numbers and influence. It was founded on sound indigenous principles, blessed with a succession of revivals, refined by persecution and is now one of the foremost in the world for missions vision. Its presence is highly visible; every level of society has been impacted and growth has been remarkable. Of the 11 largest mega-congregations in the world, 10 are in the one city of Seoul. Seoul also hosts the largest Pentecostal, Presbyterian and Methodist congregations in the world and the second-largest Baptist. With over 15,000 missionaries, the Korean Church sends the second-highest number of cross-cultural workers to other parts of the world. Joshua Project
How can we pray for them?
Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. (Romans 10:1)
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Here are the previous weeks threads on the UPG of the Week for Reformed
People Group Country Date Posted Beliefs
Korean (Reached People Group) South Korea 11/23/2020 Christian
Qashqa'i Iran 11/16/2020 Islam
Saaroa Taiwan 11/02/2020 Animism (?)
Urdu Ireland 10/26/2020 Islam
Wolof Senegal 10/19/2020 Islam
Turkish Cypriot Cyprus 10/12/2020 Islam
Awjilah Libya 10/05/2020 Islam
Manihar India 09/28/2020 Islam
Tianba China 09/21/2020 Animism
Arab Qatar 09/14/2020 Islam
Turkmen Turkmenistan 08/31/2020 Islam
Lyuli Uzbekistan 08/24/2020 Islam
Kyrgyz Kyrgyzstan 08/17/2020 Islam*
Yakut Russia 08/10/2020 Animism*
Northern Katang Laos 08/03/2020 Animism
Uyghur Kazakhstan 07/27/2020 Islam
Syrian (Levant Arabs) Syria 07/20/2020 Islam
Teda Chad 07/06/2020 Islam
Kotokoli Togo 06/28/2020 Islam
Hobyot Oman 06/22/2020 Islam
Moor Sri Lanka 06/15/2020 Islam
Shaikh Bangladesh 06/08/2020 Islam
Khalka Mongols Mongolia 06/01/2020 Animism
Comorian France 05/18/2020 Islam
Bedouin Jordan 05/11/2020 Islam
Muslim Thai Thailand 05/04/2020 Islam
Nubian Uganda 04/27/2020 Islam
Kraol Cambodia 04/20/2020 Animism
Tay Vietnam 04/13/2020 Animism
Yoruk Turkey 04/06/2020 Islam
Xiaoliangshn Nosu China 03/30/2020 Animism
Jat (Muslim) Pakistan 03/23/2020 Islam
Beja Bedawi Egypt 03/16/2020 Islam
Tunisian Arabs Tunisia 03/09/2020 Islam
Yemeni Arab Yemen 03/02/2020 Islam
Bosniak Croatia 02/24/2020 Islam
Azerbaijani Georgia 02/17/2020 Islam
Zaza-Dimli Turkey 02/10/2020 Islam
Huichol Mexico 02/03/2020 Animism
Kampuchea Krom Cambodia 01/27/2020 Buddhism
Lao Krang Thailand 01/20/2020 Buddhism
Gilaki Iran 01/13/2020 Islam
Uyghurs China 01/01/2020 Islam
Israeli Jews Israel 12/18/2019 Judaism
Drukpa Bhutan 12/11/2019 Buddhism
Malay Malaysia 12/04/2019 Islam
Lisu (Reached People Group) China 11/27/2019 Christian
Dhobi India 11/20/2019 Hinduism
Burmese Myanmar 11/13/2019 Buddhism
Minyak Tibetans China 11/06/2019 Buddhism
Yazidi Iraq 10/30/2019 Animism*
Turks Turkey 10/23/2019 Islam
Kurds Syria 10/16/2019 Islam
Kalmyks Russia 10/09/2019 Buddhism
Luli Tajikistan 10/02/2019 Islam
Japanese Japan 09/25/2019 Shintoism
Urak Lawoi Thailand 09/18/2019 Animism
Kim Mun Vietnam 09/11/2019 Animism
Tai Lue Laos 09/04/2019 Bhuddism
Sundanese Indonesia 08/28/2019 Islam
Central Atlas Berbers Morocco 08/21/2019 Islam
Fulani Nigeria 08/14/2019 Islam
Sonar India 08/07/2019 Hinduism
Pattani Malay Thailand 08/02/2019 Islam
Thai Thailand 07/26/2019 Buddhism
Baloch Pakistan 07/19/2019 Islam
Alawite Syria 07/12/2019 Islam*
Huasa Cote d'Ivoire 06/28/2019 Islam
Chhetri Nepal 06/21/2019 Hinduism
Beja Sudan 06/14/2019 Islam
Yinou China 06/07/2019 Animism
Kazakh Kazakhstan 05/31/2019 Islam
Hui China 05/24/2019 Islam
Masalit Sudan 05/17/2019 Islam
As always, if you have experience in this country or with this people group, feel free to comment or PM me and I will happily edit it so that we can better pray for these peoples!
Here is a list of definitions in case you wonder what exactly I mean by words like "Unreached"
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2020.11.23 12:43 sobersam20 Dating a catholic man

Hello. I am dating a man who is catholic and I am not. We have been on 5 dates, so I feel like it’s going well. I am out of an abusive relationship and he is a very kind person which is amazing to me. But I have some questions.
1) I am not Catholic and have no plans to convert. Ever. I am not very religious but if you asked me I would probably say I’m Christian but only because of family history. Is this a problem? He says no but he has a VERY catholic family. Like his family has nuns and priests in it and stuff.
2) he does go to church (mass?) every Sunday. So he is actively practicing I would say
3) if the relationship goes well for a while and say we end up in a long term committed relationship like close to marriage, would a Catholic be willing to marry outside of the Catholic Church? Also I don’t want anymore children (I already have kids) so how does all that work?
I mean overall what I’m looking to gain from it is spending time with someone I like who is nice to me and not abusive, and I’m in therapy so I’ve been speaking with my therapist about learning to have healthy relationships and what that looks like.
So Catholics of Reddit tell me what all this looks like? Should I give up now or is there hope for a future?
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2020.11.22 22:38 That-Boyo-J Byzantine History for my mod

Hello all! I haven’t worked on my mod in quite some time but I have some history for the, by the start date, nearly 20 years long dead Byzantine Empire that could rise again if you so choose.
Everything you need to know about the mod, you can find here. A lot of things have changed in the lore since this post and I haven’t really worked on the mod a lot.
The first point of divergence comes in 1118 with the death of Alexios I Komnenos. In our world, Alexios named John II his hear. In this timeline, he made his daughter Anna Komnene as his heir. Anna Komnene in our timeline, as well as this one, was a very competent and well learned woman, the only difference being when she attempted to seize power in our timeline it didn’t end the way she had hoped.
Anna had a lot of work to do so she immediately got down to business and did everything she could to make sure her brother never got the throne. In the East the Seljuks and various other Islamic powers. The Empress was able to put a lot of these powers against each other through deception while she built the Empire’s army. In 1120, she managed to conquer half of Anatolia through a series of wars and even gained full control of modern day Crimea. But this came to an end in 1149 when she was assassinated by John II’s supporters. However, she had successfully prolonged the Byzantine Empire’s life span.
The next diverging path comes in 1453, the year Constantinople fell in our timeline. In this time Constantinople was besieged by Mehemed II, this time the defenders held long enough for Crusaders and regular forces to arrive to help. Constantine XI lead a charge with his incredibly mismatched forces into the Ottoman lines, managing to rout them. Together with the help from the Catholic, Orthodox, and even Pagan forces they managed to beat back the Ottomans, restoring the borders in Anatolia to those that Anna Komnene the Great had built. They reconquered Greece shortly after. The Ottomans were ripped apart by their neighbors and collapsed, various smaller states rising in their place. Instead of outright conquering the eastern kingdoms, they instead traded with them and kept good relations. In 1492, the Americas, or Columbia as it is called in this timeline, was discovered. A new landmass untouched by Europeans for centuries. That is until they discovered the last bastion of the Western Roman Empire, the Grand Empire of Columbia. This excited Demetrios Palaiologos who tried everything he could to broker some sort of alliance with Columbia who refused every offer.
In 1632, the Egyptian Empire and the Persian Empire now both bordered the Byzantine Empire. While the Persians still traded with and were neutral towards Byzantium, the Egyptians had multiple wars with Byzantium in the coming decades before an official peace treaty was signed in 1695 in Constantinople that ended hostilities.
In 1776, the Byzantines were shocked at the collapse of the Grand Empire of Columbia as it had now split into several different republics and kingdoms. So shocked in fact that they began to push their borders into Southern Italy and the Balkans in 1780. They even took Cyprus and Malta in 1782. Two islands that the Egyptians had their eyes on for a while. In 1789 the Egyptians landed in Cyprus and Malta, sparking a new war. The war lasted from 1789 to 1795, ending with the capture of Cairo. The Byzantines took Sinai as an exclave and let the Persians have the Middle East. They constructed the Suez Canal in 1859.
In 1914, relations between Persia and Byzantium had soured a lot, so when the Archduke of Austria Hungary was assassinated and Byzantium rushed to the aid of Russia, Serbia and the rest of the Entente, the Persians were all too eager to invade. In September 8th, 1914 Persia launched a surprise attack on Byzantium, causing them to have to pull forces from their border with Austria Hungary to defend the south. The Byzantines were doomed to fall at this point, Crimea broke away as an independent nation and most of Greece and Anatolia were in the hands of the Central Powers. Britain and France attempted a diversion in the Levant and Arabia but it failed. In 1919, Paris fell to German hands as the Russians had fallen into a Civil War. The Byzantine Emperor begged the Republic of Columbia to get involved and attempt to settle a peace agreement but this failed. The Byzantines managed to hold until 1922, giving the Central Powers the greatest fight the could. They surrendered when Constantinople was threatened with complete destruction. Persia took Anatolia and Constantinople and made a puppet government in Greece. Many in the former Byzantine lands blame Columbia for the fall of Byzantines, even though Columbia couldn’t do much to save them at that point. Some blamed the Emperor for getting involved. Some even blamed the Empire’s christianization for their defeat and returned to worshipping the Greek Gods. But all it will take is a small spark to ignite the fire of Revolution in the hearts of the Byzantine people, and with the recent resurfacing of the Byzantine Prince Principius Diogenus who announced his support for the Byzantine Rebel group known as the Argonauts, the Balkans wait in anticipation.
I’ll get a preview for North America as soon as possible so...look forward to that. I know this was probably a lot to read and I’m sorry I just felt like I should share to generate as much hype as possible. I am one dude working on a very big mod but I might put out a few small mods between now and the release of my main mod.
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